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Alaska Airlines Unsafe To Fly?!?!  
User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

A report on FOX 25 (Boston) airing either tonight or tomorrow at 10PM is saying a new airline is coming to BOS, it's Alaska Airlines and they're interviweing people who say it's an un-safe airline and they would refuse to fly it.

Are they saying all this just because there have been 2 big crashes (flight 261 and 1866)? Many US airlines have had a lot more crashes than them and there aren't report like this about them. Whats the deal? I heard Alaska was a great airline to fly.

**Ren41**

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User currently offlineJared From United States of America, joined May 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

They are coming here? There is no room at terminals!

In one month everyone is kicked out of A and it will be demolished. I can't imagine where they would put a new airline coming into Logan.


User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

I have flown Alaska several times and have always found them to be very good. I would consider them to be safe.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13649 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2534 times:
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1866? Excuse me?

261 was Alaska's first crash in over 25 years. The last one prior was in Juneau, where weather and a malfunctioning navaid were to blame.

Besides, no mainline Alaska flight numbers go over 999. Recheck your facts, Dorothy.



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User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

EA CO AS,

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi_bin/view_details.cgi?date=09041971&airline=Alaska+Airlines

**Ren41**


User currently offlineUnitedflyer1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

September 4 1971
Alaska Airlines
Flight 1866
Boeing 727-193
Juneau, Alaska
111 Fatalities


User currently offlineFrequentflier From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

Having flown Alaska several times as well, I can affirm that it is a perfectly safe carrier as well as having some of the best service in the country.

However, all of Alaska's older aircraft are quite old and outdated, and, to be honest, scare me. After flying on some beautiful new aircraft in the "lower 48" it's hard adjusting to first-generation MD-80s (with the seatbelt sign at the FRONT OF THE CABIN)


User currently offlineJared From United States of America, joined May 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

I wonder why I never saw any info about this. It is starting 4/4 just from looking at reservations info at their website. 737 BOS-SEA.

I still have no idea where they will put them at BOS.


User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2359 times:


Jared: I haven't been to Logan for a while, but can't they fit them in Terminal D (the terminal that looks like a subway station restroom). I thought they moved Airtran's counters. Correct me if I'm wrong.



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User currently offlineSpark From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

I certainly feel safe on Alaska, especially the 73NGs. I was talking to a dispatcher shortly after the 261 (a big deal in the Bay Area, since it was a SFO bound flight) and he told me Alaska had a paper work problem. Sure it looks bad, but I don't think represents a serious hazzard.


User currently offlineAlaskaMVP From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

MD-80's and 737's have tremendous safety records, about one hull damaging event every 3 million flights. Alaska has one of the youngest fleets of any major, average age 7.7 years. MD-80s are much younger than 727's, DC-8's, L1011s and DC-10s that many of the majors were flying just last year.

Alaska had one bad crash in bad weather in the state of Alaska 30 years ago, and fly in and out of some of the toughest airports in North America. Because of that they've been a leader in equipping their planes with advanced landing and navigational equipment. They had a second bad crash in LA, due to a maintainance error. Because of that I'm willing to bet that their maintanence practices are now among the best in the world.

In fact, I'm flying on an Alaska MD80 twice next week, with no more concern than on any other major carrier. BTW, Alaska is also profitable, unlike all the other majors with the exception of Southwest. So if you are worried about airlines cutting corners on safety, I'd worry first about the ones that are close to bankruptcy.


User currently offlineJared From United States of America, joined May 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

GD727,

Honestly, I'm not too sure about the situation. But with one entire terminal being evacuated a month from now and having to use gates and jetways at other terminals, it can't be pretty.

I actually saw crews attaching a jetway to terminal B today, probably getting ready for either DL Shuttle or CO.

Also, terminal D still does look like a subway station restroom. It's going to be really nice when it's done but until then, it is such trash.

I know Midwest Express is going to a nice area in C but I hear DL Shuttle, CO, and Cape Air are really getting the shaft.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6501 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Why are they tearing down Eastern's old terminal at BOS?  Crying


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineJared From United States of America, joined May 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

DL is taking over! Right now they only have DL Shuttle out of A. You're right, there is a lot of history at that terminal but it is very old and showing its age.

Delta is ripping it down and building a new one which will house all DL flights, Express, Shuttle, and whatever "regular" Delta is called.

That will eventually make more room at the rest of the terminals but until then I have a feeling it's going to be pretty cramped. Or I could be wrong about the space-issue.

However, Terminal A is indeed coming down very shortly.  Sad


User currently offlineJared From United States of America, joined May 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Ren41,

I too have seen the ad now a LOT of times. It is on tomorrow on the 10pm news on Fox after the X-Files.

They show this guy all like "DO NOT FLY ALASKA AIRLINES." Apparently he has some "beef" with them. I'm sure we can either recap the news clip for the rest of you all, or it will probably be posted online after it airs.

I have never heard anything like this about Alaska Airlines either. I am curious what this guy has to say about them (other than not to fly them.)


User currently offlineILuvYak40 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Frequentflier -

You have a problem with the older MD-80s? Just be lucky you're not like me and fly NW's DC-9s every month.  Smile


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Well, I think that's the great thing about the airlines in Terminal A. For the most part, they're the airlines that don't have many flights.

Frontier currently only has one daily flight. Midwest Express isn't too prolific, maybe 3-4 flights a day, Cape Air doesn't even need gates, but it sure is convenient the little set up they have going in Terminal A, with the check-in and departure lounge just a staircase away from the planes. Continental almost never fills the amount of gates they have in Terminal A. All-in-all, of the 10 gates in Terminal A, you could probably fit them all in about 6. Just have 2 multi-airline gates for Frontier and Midwest Express. DL Shuttle is getting three in Terminal B, where Metrojet used to depart from. CO could use the two former TWA gates.

Sure, some airlines are gonna get shafted, but in the end, think about how much of it will be made up. When that terminal is done, you'll have consolidated all of Delta's operations, leaving gates open in Terminals B and C, and by then, I'm sure Terminal C will have some new plans for expansion. Boston will one day become too small for the market it serves, but until then, I have to say that I'm quite impressed with how Massport and the airlines are utilizing the space we have.

LH423



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29805 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Setting aside the fact that age shouldn't be a consideration in airline safety, Alaska Airlines has one of the youngest fleets out there. Especially when you stop figuring in the 7 or 8 Gravel kitted 737-200QC's that are used almost exclusivly within the state of Alaska.

I think your news station found a reference who is talking out of his ass.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Alaska at one time was the airline with best service, I think it still is. They are a safe airline. They should talk about AA or something like that regarding safety. Alaska has some of the most experienced pilots in the world, if not the most experienced! For those of you who haven't been to Alaska you wouldn't know.

-Dmitry


User currently offlineTNboy From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 1131 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

It's depressing the way the media can never be content to simply tell it like it is. They always need "an angle" or a headline. If that means that a report is biased, one-sided or based on speculation, individual anger or emotional overload, well, the public are suckers for a bit of sensationalism anyway. Aren't they?
Obviously I won't be able to see the program, but maybe someone will surprise me by letting us know that the "don't fly Alaska" comments are balanced by a suitable number of glowing passenger comments (based on factual surveys of Alaska satisfaction ratings).
Or would balanced reporting be a bit too difficult?



"...every aircraft is subtly different.."
User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2594 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

IMHO, it's usually the Fox affiliates who scream out such headlines.

User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Or would balanced reporting be a bit too difficult?


Not too difficult, but dosen't bring in the ratings. More's the pity.

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineTNboy From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 1131 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

...and that's the problem. The more we watch the sensationalist stuff, the more that certain networks will continue to throw it at us "because it's what the public wants." But I guess it's such a habit for some of them now that they wouild probably just do it anyway. It's a great pity that they can damage reputations in the process. You have to admire the reporters, though. Can't be easy being an instant expert on everything!


"...every aircraft is subtly different.."
User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

I agree w/ the assement that the media is planting the notion that Alaska is unsafe into peoples heads. AS hasn't had an acident in a few years, and it looks like they got thier act together w/ the maintenece record keeping which was a major concern. It must have been a slow news day in Boston for them to dig up old news to hysterical about.

Isnt the A terminal the one with the parking garage on the roof and the garage less than 300 ft. from the terminal. I think they have to demolish it to reconsturct it in accordance w/ new security procedures. Bit of a drastic solution if thats the case however.


User currently offlineRoadrunner165 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 876 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Alaska Airline's is a GREAT airline-
I've flow them many times and have never had a problum- Even there -200's are in good condition.
To bad there realy noisy or I would fly on them more often.


adam


25 Jared : Yes, that is A but that isn't why they are tearing it down. It has nothing to do with 9/11 new security stuff. It was already going to happen before t
26 UALPHLCS : Something I forgot. Why is Alaska going to BOS? AS seemed to be content to be a regional carrier for the West Coast and connecting the lower 48 to Ala
27 Spark : Alaska already has a flight to ORD. I believe it is from SEA-TAC, but maybe from Anchorage. Up until recently, Alaska was a North-West Carrier on the
28 EIPremier : Well, I had hoped that this kind of nonsense would have died out by now, but this is exactly the kind of sleazy thing FOX would do. After all, they're
29 GD727 : Jared: The new Terminal A is going to Delta? Who's getting all their space in Terminal C? -GD727
30 Jared : Not sure. I will try to ask around though and get back to you.
31 Theiler : Well, that whole "investigative report" was a joke. The whole thing centered around a man (sounded British) who lives in the US who lost relatives in
32 Post contains images N400QX : I'm with AlaskaMVP on this one-- --Alaska was the first airline in the world to manually land a passenger jet (a 727) in Category III weather using a
33 Ren41 : The FOX reporter even said flight 261 was from Puerto Vallarta to SEATTLE when it was really going to San Francisco. Obviously he didn't do a good job
34 777D : Alaska unsafe? Please, Alaska Airlines is a safe carrier. Every airline has their mishaps regarding there past flying history. If the people in Boston
35 Woodsboy : Just the nature of the story that you are talking about would be a red flag- interviewing "people" who say its unsafe? Well, who are these people? We
36 GD727 : I saw the report last night and must say it was the WORST investigative report I've ever seen! The scource was this one guy who lost his family in th
37 OPNLguy : >>>A report on FOX 25 (Boston)
38 DeltAirlines : Yes, I saw the ads on Fox, but didn't end up watching, but to me it seemed like a ton of hogwash. In regards to Terminal A at BOS, here is what is hap
39 Jettblasterp : Okay guys...you wanted to know and now I'll tell you. In regards to terminal A. All of you have pieces but not everything. CO 5 gates on the DL pier T
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