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Why Is Manila Not A Major Hub  
User currently offlineIbizajet A330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1875 times:

I have Always Wondered this and Now i am asking Why isn't Manila A Hub With Most Forign Airlines????
is it too close to Hong Kong?

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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1819 times:

I would say because of its relative poverty.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1801 times:

Probably its proximity to HKG, KUL and SIN has a lot to do with it not being a major regional hub in the area. Also, despite its new T2, the airport as a whole is not quite on the level playing field with other major airports in the region. However, I don't think MNL has been aggresssively seeking to go up against SIN (unlike KUL), so it shouldn't necessarily be seen as a 'failure'.

User currently offlineSnoopy From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1792 times:

Maybe that will change later when the new terminal comes on line.

User currently offlineMacmac76 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1779 times:

Well, I would think that Manila isn't in the same caliber as Hong Kong or Singapore in terms of being financial centers. There isn't that much investments in the Philippines, at least not as much as other major financial cities in Asia. Just my own opinion. But I hope the new terminal in Manila would change that.

User currently offlineB727-200 From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1051 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1781 times:


Until such time as HKG, SIN, BKK and KUL hit saturation point, there is no requirement for an additional hub in SE Asia.

The likelyhood of this happening is deminished everytime an aircraft manufacturer brings out an aircraft that can 'fly over' these hubs. This suggests that when the A340-600/A380/B74X/Boeing Sonic Cruiser come online, there will be a trend towards more point to point flying as opposed to via hubs.

B727-200.


User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

MNL will never be a major hub due to the wayward politics and government policies gone astray. Just look at the latest problems with Taiwan over the last year when all flights were postponed. The government knows nothing except ineptness and corruption. Nonetheless even if the politicos were able to get it straight, MNL isn't really a good place for a hub due to natural geography. The best they could do would be Europe-Australia in the best of times. The Americas-Australia would be well out of the way. BTW I am a very big fan of PR as I have flown them many many times and have never had a problem with them.

User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

I know. Those Filipino troops almost closed in on that stupid Abu Sayyaf people in that hospital in Basilan but they accepted bribes and let the stinkin' Sayyaf people go away. Seems like their imposing stricter rules now..........It's just corruption that's hurting them. Also, some people don't know how to think. They want to move the airport all the way to Macapagal Airport in Pampanga. Much too far from Manila.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Also with the rise of alliances Euro airlines can fly into their hubs:HK,SIN,ICN,KUL and get their Asian partner to feed them on from there.Look at BA-they are dropping flights to Taipei,but traffic to Taipei will just switch planes at HK and go on Cathy.Makes more sense.
Manila lacks the economic prowress of the other major Asian cities in the area and with the rise of alliance makes little sense to fly there


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2713 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1665 times:



There is many reasons why Manila never became a major hub. These are my own assumptions thru observation of historical facts.

Manila had all the proper tools it needed to become the major hub in Asia. Manila saw the first transpacific flight by a Pan American flying boat. Philippine Airlines was the first airline established in Asia and the first one to fly both to the Americas and Europe. However, we have to remember that these accomplishments were all achieved thanks to direct U.S. influence due to the fact that the Philippines were under brief U.S. control after they were taken away from Spain. As a matter of fact, the Philippines were more developed and had a stable and much larger economy than Japan after WW 2.

With this in mind, I always wonder why English possessions fared so well after they achieved independence; Singapore, Malaysia and Hong Kong are great examples. However, the Philippines like the great majority of Latin American countries languished with corruption and poverty after independence was achieved. You might say that there was something that the English did that the Spanish didn't do! Nevertheless, the Spaniards are in no position to be blamed for the mismanagement and misfortune of the their former colonies.

The Philippines were technically very much more advanced than any country in Asia in terms of Aviation. PAL's network spanned from Manila to Madrid flying westward and to San Francisco and even as far away as Mexico City, at one point, flying eastward. PAL had a worldwide network before Singapore Airlines and Malaysia were ever conceived. As a matter of fact PAL even provided technical assistance to Japan Airlines. In essence JAL learned how to fly thanks to PAL.

However, all these things were thrown down the trash, so to speak, after years of corruption and mismanagement by the various political establishments that ruled the country. While Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea and so forth, were busy establishing their national airlines into world class carriers, Imelda Marcos was busy taking over PAL's fleet of wide bodies for her usual shopping sprees to Paris and New York. Sadly, country had passed from being one of the most developed and prosperous in Asia to one of the poorest and most corrupt. By 1998, after the devastating Asian financial crisis, the country was almost left without a national airline.

However, thanks to the new PAL Centennial terminal at MNL, for the first time can MNL really call itself a true hub and spoke system. This terminal takes much of the credit for PAL recent financial stability and is a testament of what can happen be achieved and accomplished when things are properly done correctly. I believe that now, PAL has the foundation to establish itself and take back the honor of being the first in Asia...

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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

Ironically, the Philippines had among the highest regional PCI's in the '50's.....it could have become an economic powerhouse. Then Manila would be hub today.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

Philippine Airlines is overprotected by Filipino Government.

Look at the case of Taiwan - Philippine bilateral air pact 2 years ago. Philipping asking Taiwan's airline stop increase flight and use smaller plane to fly to Manila.

Obviously no airline want to accept the demand if the Government is asking this non-sense stuff.


User currently offlineHugo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

Manila could be a great hub! Unfortunately, as pointed out by the previous posts, a variety of factors have made it less attractive. If we Filipinos can only get a decent government, then Manila has a chance. We really lost our way during the Marcos years when we really developed a culture of corruption. We were turning around recently under Ramos, but then we elected Marcos II under that B-actor, Estrada. Thank God he is out. The New T3 is looking real good, but we still have a long, long way before we can truly compete. Airports and Airlines are great metaphors for countries. Someday, I hope PR and MNL can regain their glory.

User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1593 times:

Um...

I know I am not talking about Manila, but two cargo forces hub in the PI.

Fedex has its far eastern hub and crew domicile in Subic.

UPS has a mini-hub at Clark (as of 15 March).


User currently offlineYdna_anderson From Philippines, joined Jun 2001, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

for a citizen like me, i would have wished that the government is reading this forum to see how this country is perceived to be as corrupt, which is very very true to every sense of the word.

all of them are corrupt... from way back to marcos, to corry, to ramos... estrada and macapagal... estrada was just too stupid to be caught, though i believe ramos took more money and was more serious case than estrada.

i dont have trust in this government to govern the country well... hell the police dont even have my respect.... they cant even protect people from kidnapings and etc... but i do love this country and am hoping for change

now if the government owuld just get its act together, then one way will lead to the next and hopefully, the entire system will change.

as manila being a hub, i dont think the airport is capable, cause it just doesnt have the room to expand as its surrounded by houses and etc... with only one runway that is big enought to accomodate the widebidies... im not sure about this....

i really hope that manila will get back its glory from the old days.... god if that day comes, then id be happy to retire in this country for life.

just my opinions...
-darwin


User currently offlineYdna_anderson From Philippines, joined Jun 2001, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

just a follow-up...
the people who live near the airport are complaining... which would really be the biggest problem... if they want a quiet place, then why did they live near the airport at the first place....
well... but then again, if you live in a country that is very volatile... where a group of people may picket some place and wait for their crowd to grow to a significant number and "overthrow" something that thay dont like or agree with... then NAIA will have torubles expanding....

hey! they can do a kansai setup... they can build the airport over at manila bay so no one will complain... it aint too bad at all hahahahahahahahahaha
and obiviously, will be built with substandard materials cause contractors and politicians are hungry to fill their own pockets.... it just never ends here


-darwin


User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

Yes maybe they can build the new airport on top of those deserted ships/boats and sludge there in the Manila Bay. Anyway I hope PR does well as they are one of my favorites.

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