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Special Security For First Class / Premiers  
User currently offlineUnitedflyer1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

I have noticed that some airlines, such as Continental, Delta, and I think UA and AA are giving preferential treatment to first class and or premier members in the security checkpoints. This is bull. excuse me but WHY THE HELL SHOULD THEY GET SPECIAL LINES AT SECURITY???? I can understand the special check in which has always been in place but this is the one area where all pax should be equal. These lines are supposedly faster, I would certainly hope that the level of security is at least the same. I wish these airlines would not provide these special lines, but they are.
What do you think?

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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

because we fly once a week or more... pay the $10 security fee more... spend more time in airports than you. Why is it fair that business and elite flyers have to wait 2 hours in line for folks who fly once a year when they will probably be back in an airport in a few days...

don't like it, then get status. Otherwise join the folks in steerage.

-nate


User currently offlineUnitedflyer1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Err ok SegmentKing, no. I do not fly once a year, nor do I quite yet have elite status. Coach pax pay the stupid security fee too.

User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

I think it sucks, those are the guys and gals who keep these airlines running. You have to do this, i think it is crap but that doesnt exclude them from any random searchs. They will always complain, but they are what keeps us going. boy nate really has a problem dealing with a simple queston, but then again he is one who probably gives the csr a hard time when his travel agent didnt put his PREMIER number in his record.





User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

I think everyone is overlooking the reason for the security fee. It isn't for "fast track" service. It for security. Whether it's worth it and whether it's working or not is another story. First class passengers pay more then coach passengers. I think a faster security line is an excellent idea. However, a better idea would be some type of frequent flier line, not necessarily just first class.

User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1598 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

I agree that it is blatantly unfair and I'm sure it will end up in the courts. Each passenger is paying the same security fee and should expect the same treatment. I buy groceries every week but I don't expect to go to the head of the check-out line.

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

I'm Premier Exec and I am a travel agent *heh* and if my MP # isn't in my PNR, then I can't get Economy Plus seating or upgraded....

Just drives me nuts that people think that road warriors should spend more time in airports than necessary... if road warriors don't fly, then who fills the seats? Low yield customers. Think high yield business passengers want to wait in a security line for 2 hours for a 45 minute hop from Seattle to Portland when they can drive it in 2 hours?

... just think about it....


User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

Well I took advantage of this special security last time I flew out of SeaTac-- good thing too, because if I had had to stand in the regular line, I would have missed my flight.

I figure if you're going to pay more for the flight, why shouldn't you escape standing in a winding line for hours?

>Think high yield business passengers want to wait in a security line for 2 hours for a 45 minute hop from Seattle to Portland when they can drive it in 2 hours?

He has an excellent point. Horizon runs shuttles down to Portland what seems like every thirty minutes. And they're full. Think of the business that would be lost if one had to spend more time standing in a security line than sitting in a car driving the trip.

Not to mention they rake in the dough...  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineUnitedflyer1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

N400QX yeah whatever, but its still not fair, every passenger has to pay $10 extra per r/t, why should first / premier pax get the special lines..... its just not fair.

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

You guys are missing the point, the airlines pay for the security. In the case of CO, they have paid for 2-3 extra security lines so that they can have a dedicated line for the people that are paying the big dollars. They do not get an easier time for security, they get checked just the same, just don't have to wait in the huge lines.

Ps, I fly a hell of a lot, and have yet to experience a monster check-in line since sept 11th. I am sure they happen, but not to me as of yet...(knock...knock on wood)


User currently offlineAnzff From Australia, joined May 2000, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

What is the difference between priority lines for check-in and security? Additional security charges are to put more security people on the ground and conduct more thorough searches more often etc. Therefore everyone pays them. But if an airline is going to put extra money in ITSELF to provide better service for its most important pax then what is wrong with that? If the money to provide priority lines is coming from the tax paid by all pax then there is a problem. But if airlines are paying extra money to put additional staff on solely for premium pax (at cost to premium pax) then what exactly is the problem?

Bottom line: you get what you pay for!


User currently offlineRickB From United Kingdom, joined May 2003, 243 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

Why complain - this helps economy passengers too - if all of the first/premium class passengers go through an alternative security checkpoint then there will be less people in the standard queues - so you will get through faster too.

As said - people pay extra for 1st class so they can avoid standing in queues, relax in lounges etc. not just for the extra space / service on the flight - it is the product as a whole that counts.

You get what you pay for I guess.


User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

Here's my problem:

Airport security is federalized. Therefore, the government pays for it by way of the $10 security fee for passengers. The airlines got the Stabilization money for any costs in security, in addition to 9/11 expenses. I don't care if the airlines give priority at checkin or at the gate, as that is their space. To do it at a federal checkpoint goes against the government policy of discrimination.

I see it as no different as the old bus system in the south. Blacks(cheap tickets) get to be in the front of the bus(go through the checkpoint) as long as there aren't any whites(elite/first class) there. If there are, blacks have to let the whites get seats(go through the checkpoint) first while they wait for seats(wait for going through the checkpoint). The Surpreme Court said that is unconstititutional.


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

And the tax rates in the US isn't discrimination? People like my father pay up the wazzooo while poor folks don't pay any taxes.. is that fair??? the more money you make, the more taxes you pay... that's bull crap.

As long as the rich pay more in taxes, and fly more, I say let us keep our special line. Same with security fees.. we pay them over and over and over... whereas leisure passengers pay it a few times a year.

It's not fair for the business traveler who flies twice a week to have 100 hours of his life stolen from him so Ma and Pa who spend only 2 hours a year in those lines.

For more info, go to http://www.flyertalk.com Go to MILES forum, under the "BUZZ" sub level.... you'll get a much different opinion...

-nate


User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1751 times:

SegmentKing: If you go to the local movie theater, everybody pays the same price in their group(children, adults, seniors, etc.). Everybody goes into the theater on a first come, first served basis. When they have the line to go in, they don't let people who come to the theater every week cut in front of other people to have their stubs ripped, buy concessions, or going into the theater. I don't see how airlines can get away with it, as everybody pays the same $2.50 to go through security once. Every time a person goes through, there is a flat fee. It isn't "I pay this more, so I get priority", it's the fact that you paid $2.50 to go through security that day, just like every other passenger trying to go through.

BTW: Did it ever occur to you that the regular lines would move faster if there weren't elites always cutting in front of other pax?


User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

>>And the tax rates in the US isn't discrimination? People like my father pay up the wazzooo while poor folks don't pay any taxes.. is that fair??? the more money you make, the more taxes you pay... that's bull crap.<<

I don't think it's BS, especially when you consider that richer areas have less crowded schools, better funded police and fire departments, and also much nicer hospitals. The government is better in richer neighborhoods, because they can afford them. If you have gone to relax in a park near your house, did it ever occur to you that if you paid less taxes, you wouldn't have that park?

If you ever go to the poor part of a city, you'll see less police, hospitals in bad shape, no government funded parks or pools, the library in shambles, and it may not even have internet connections. You live good when you pay higher taxes.


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