Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2087 times:
Hey,
I was just wondering what happened with the +/- 40 ex-Sabena aircrafts.
I know that some are being used now or in the next future (Birdy (A333), VG Airlines (A332), Air Luxor (A320 --> can anyone confirm this?)).
Some aircrafts are still grounded in Brussels now.
Of the long-haul fleet, there is just an A342 (OO-SCX) resting in Brussels.
Of the short-medium haul fleet there is now only one B737-300 (see picture below) left anymore, and still some A319-320 and one A321 (OO-SUB).
Who knows more about the companies who will use ex-Sabena's in the future or are already being using ex-Sabena's? If you know the regs, can you please write them down here too?
Air Orange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1916 times:
Indeed 3 A330-200's went to ILFC which leased them to VG Airlines. The names for VG's A330-200's will be Emilie de Graaf Fleet godmother, Michael Toman Fleet godfather (Delsey logojet), City of New York The big apple.
Do you expect VG Airlines will fly also the A330-300 or even the A340 in future? To me an A330-200 looks soo small.
Flying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2358 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1923 times:
I recently went to Toulouse, and some Airbus were staying there as well. I know one of them is used for the GIGN training (anti-terrorists forces of France).
The A342 staying next to the SN technics hangar was scrapped from its engines as far as I know.
I also know that for the moment 2 A321 are staying in front of this hangar as well.
It is now more and more talked about thepossibility of SN Brussels Airlines taking some A319 over for medium haul duties. Wait and see...
Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1877 times:
Thanks for your replies guys!!
@Air Orange:
Sabena flew several times fully-loaden A343's to New York, so why not operate the A333 or A343? I don't know. I thought that the leasing price of an A333 was cheaper than one of an A332. Can anyone confirm this?
@Flying Belgian:
I hope that SNBA will use some A319's, but do they have the money for that? Why not use more code-share flights in the beginning? Like with TAP to Lisbon, Finnair to Helsinki-Stockholm, Olympic Airways to Athens, EL-AL to Tel Aviv,... Isn't this more safer?
About that A340-200, I thought that it was missing 2 of it's 4 engines.
Flying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2358 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1831 times:
Sabena 690:
It may be possible for OO-SCX. But I am deeply sad to see that machine in such condtions...
And for you wouldn't it make SNBA more credible if flying a few A320's instead of an all RJ's fleet ??
Many potential clients think so...
Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1789 times:
Hey Flying Belgian,
Yes. I think that the most customers prefer to fly an A320 than an Avro. In the A320, you have more inflight entertainment, it is a larger aircraft, the comfort is higher,...
And yes, when I look to that A342, I am very sad too.
I am very happy with SNBA, but when I am spotting in EBBR, I don't have the same feeling for it anymore than when I saw a Sabena landing. When a Sabena A343 was coming in, or even an A319 or an A320, I was proud to be a Belgian. Now too, but that feeling is not so strong anymore than in the times of Sabena. That is something that has to grow, but it takes some time for me.
By the way, can anyone confirm that Air Luxor leased an A320 of Sabena?
Redcap From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 37 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1668 times:
yeah , Brussels got quite empty in the last months . I can confirm that a few 737's (OO-SYA , OO-SYB , third immat unknown ) are placed inside the hangar of Lufthansa Technics ( next to the (ex)DAT hangar ) , but so far I don't know what will happen . And i know that the former OO-SYE is now flying as the Air Ukraine UR-GAI . Its their first 737-500 .
rgds
Pieter
Ivo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1601 times:
Some info about A320 series:
A320:
1439 ex OO-SNI to Air Luxor as CS-TQA
1450 ex OO-SNJ to Air Luxor as CS-TQB
1054 ex OO-SNE stored at CHR 26 dec 01
1413 ex OO-SNH stored at BOD 9 nov 01
A319:
1048 Ex OO-SSA stored at CHR
1068 ex OO-SSB stored at FZO 18 jan 02
1086 ex OO-SSC stored at CHR 26 dec 01
1124 ex OO-SSE stored at CHR 9 jan 02
1160 ex OO-SSG stored at XLW 11 jan 02
1184 ex OO-SSH stored at XLW 13 jan 02
1336 ex OO-SSK stored at FZO 16 jan 02
1364 ex OO-SSL stored at XLW 20 dec 01
1388 ex OO-SSM stored at FZO 22 jan 02
1429 ex OO-SSN stored at BOD 16 nov 01
1494 ex OO-SSO stored at BOD 16 nov 01
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1596 times:
Many of the Sabena aircraft, especially the newer A32X and A332 airliners were leased to Sabena from various parties, including some special purpose partnerships.
It will take the lawyers a bit of time to work out many of the details of the lease terminations; there are many issues to consider since SN failed financially and litigation to resolve as the lessors will attempt to collect all of the monies due to them. It is not a simple situation where an airline returns an aircraft upon termination of a lease.
Once all of the legal issues are resolved, the balance of the SN aircraft can be remarketed........most of SN's aircraft were quite new and well-maintained, but it is a difficult market for used aircraft at the moment.
Is SN Brussels going to take some of the ex-Sabena A319s?
Pressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 773 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1579 times:
Hello guys
As far as i know, SN Brussels will not start Airbus 32F operations in the very near future. The summer season starts next week, the schedules are allready printed... So it doesn't make sense to start this ops now. Lisbon and Athens, two destinations not on the SNBA schedule, will normally not be served this spring...
Pressclub
Another bad news for SN BA: AA is the new codeshare partner of Swiss...
737-990 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 364 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1559 times:
Aren't the two A319 that Mexicana now operates originally built for Sabena? Hence MX operating them with CFM engines, instead of the IAEs that are on its A320s.
Ivo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1528 times:
737-900,
You are right! Mexicana's 2 A319-112 where intended for Sabena.
1618 N618MX = OO-SSP ntu
1634 N634MX = OO-SSQ ntu
Also more widebody info:
A330-223:
c/n 290 VG Airlines as OO-SFQ
296 VG Airlines as OO-SFR
300 VG Airlines as oo-SFS
322 ex OO-SFT stored at XLW 15 jan 02
324 ex OO-SFU stored at XLW 20 dec 01
230 ex OO-SFP ?
A330 301:
c/n 30 for Birdy AL as OO-SFM
37 for Birdy AL as OO-SFN
45 for Birdy AL as OO-SFO
A330-322:
c/n 96 ex OO-SFX ex 9M-MKZ parked TLS 4 feb 02 (for Sogerma ?)
A340-311:
c/n 47 ex OO-SCY stored CHR 13 feb 02
51 ex OO-SCZ stored CHR 14 feb 02
A340-313x:
c/n 385 Air Tahiti Nui F-OJGF OO-SQA ntu
395 Air Tahiti Nui F-OJTN ex Canada 3000 OO-SQB ntu
A340-211:
c/n 14 ex OO-SCW stored CHR 18 jan 02
22 ex OO-SCX parked BRU 1 nov 01
Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1501 times:
Hey guys,
Thank you for all the very usefull and interesting information!!
@Ivo:
Thank you for the fleet information!! This was exactly what I would know. Thanks!
@Pressclub:
Yes, I heard the bad news too
I was hoping that SNBA should join OneWorld, and it is Swiss now. I was also hoping that AA should be the code share partner for SNBA. But it is Swiss too (what logic is because AA joins OneWorld too).
Bad news
Thank you again Swissair - Crossair - Swiss - whatever
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. I can confirm that a few 737's (OO-SYA , OO-SYB , third immat unknown ) are placed inside the hangar of Lufthansa Technics ( next to the (ex)DAT hangar ) , but so far I don't know what will happen . And i know that the former OO-SYE is now flying as the Air Ukraine UR-GAI . Its their first 737-500 . 
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