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What Happened With The Sabena Fleet?  
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Hey,

I was just wondering what happened with the +/- 40 ex-Sabena aircrafts.

I know that some are being used now or in the next future (Birdy (A333), VG Airlines (A332), Air Luxor (A320 --> can anyone confirm this?)).

Some aircrafts are still grounded in Brussels now.
Of the long-haul fleet, there is just an A342 (OO-SCX) resting in Brussels.
Of the short-medium haul fleet there is now only one B737-300 (see picture below) left anymore, and still some A319-320 and one A321 (OO-SUB).


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What happened with the other aircrafts?
Are they grounded on other destinations like Chateauroux, or Lemverder in Germany (see picture below)?


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These are some pictures of aircrafts which are still in EBBR now:


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Photo © Mario Michels



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Who knows more about the companies who will use ex-Sabena's in the future or are already being using ex-Sabena's? If you know the regs, can you please write them down here too?

Regards and thanx in advantance,
Sabena 690

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User currently offlineAir Orange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

Indeed 3 A330-200's went to ILFC which leased them to VG Airlines. The names for VG's A330-200's will be Emilie de Graaf Fleet godmother, Michael Toman Fleet godfather (Delsey logojet), City of New York The big apple.

Do you expect VG Airlines will fly also the A330-300 or even the A340 in future? To me an A330-200 looks soo small.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 2502 times:
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I recently went to Toulouse, and some Airbus were staying there as well. I know one of them is used for the GIGN training (anti-terrorists forces of France).
The A342 staying next to the SN technics hangar was scrapped from its engines as far as I know.
I also know that for the moment 2 A321 are staying in front of this hangar as well.

It is now more and more talked about thepossibility of SN Brussels Airlines taking some A319 over for medium haul duties. Wait and see...


FB.



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

Thanks for your replies guys!!

@Air Orange:
Sabena flew several times fully-loaden A343's to New York, so why not operate the A333 or A343? I don't know. I thought that the leasing price of an A333 was cheaper than one of an A332. Can anyone confirm this?

@Flying Belgian:
I hope that SNBA will use some A319's, but do they have the money for that? Why not use more code-share flights in the beginning? Like with TAP to Lisbon, Finnair to Helsinki-Stockholm, Olympic Airways to Athens, EL-AL to Tel Aviv,... Isn't this more safer?

About that A340-200, I thought that it was missing 2 of it's 4 engines.

Regards,
Sabena 690


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month ago) and read 2410 times:
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Sabena 690:

It may be possible for OO-SCX. But I am deeply sad to see that machine in such condtions...
And for you wouldn't it make SNBA more credible if flying a few A320's instead of an all RJ's fleet ??
Many potential clients think so...


Regards,


FB.



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Hey Flying Belgian,

Yes. I think that the most customers prefer to fly an A320 than an Avro. In the A320, you have more inflight entertainment, it is a larger aircraft, the comfort is higher,...

And yes, when I look to that A342, I am very sad too.
I am very happy with SNBA, but when I am spotting in EBBR, I don't have the same feeling for it anymore than when I saw a Sabena landing. When a Sabena A343 was coming in, or even an A319 or an A320, I was proud to be a Belgian. Now too, but that feeling is not so strong anymore than in the times of Sabena. That is something that has to grow, but it takes some time for me.

By the way, can anyone confirm that Air Luxor leased an A320 of Sabena?

Regards,
Sabena 690


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Hey,

No-one who has some more info?

Regards,
Sabena 690


User currently offlineRedcap From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

yeah , Brussels got quite empty in the last months  Sad . I can confirm that a few 737's (OO-SYA , OO-SYB , third immat unknown ) are placed inside the hangar of Lufthansa Technics ( next to the (ex)DAT hangar ) , but so far I don't know what will happen . And i know that the former OO-SYE is now flying as the Air Ukraine UR-GAI . Its their first 737-500 .
rgds
Pieter


User currently offlineIvo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

Some info about A320 series:

A320:
1439 ex OO-SNI to Air Luxor as CS-TQA
1450 ex OO-SNJ to Air Luxor as CS-TQB
1054 ex OO-SNE stored at CHR 26 dec 01
1413 ex OO-SNH stored at BOD 9 nov 01

A319:
1048 Ex OO-SSA stored at CHR
1068 ex OO-SSB stored at FZO 18 jan 02
1086 ex OO-SSC stored at CHR 26 dec 01
1124 ex OO-SSE stored at CHR 9 jan 02
1160 ex OO-SSG stored at XLW 11 jan 02
1184 ex OO-SSH stored at XLW 13 jan 02
1336 ex OO-SSK stored at FZO 16 jan 02
1364 ex OO-SSL stored at XLW 20 dec 01
1388 ex OO-SSM stored at FZO 22 jan 02
1429 ex OO-SSN stored at BOD 16 nov 01
1494 ex OO-SSO stored at BOD 16 nov 01

Best regards,

Ivo


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Many of the Sabena aircraft, especially the newer A32X and A332 airliners were leased to Sabena from various parties, including some special purpose partnerships.

It will take the lawyers a bit of time to work out many of the details of the lease terminations; there are many issues to consider since SN failed financially and litigation to resolve as the lessors will attempt to collect all of the monies due to them. It is not a simple situation where an airline returns an aircraft upon termination of a lease.

Once all of the legal issues are resolved, the balance of the SN aircraft can be remarketed........most of SN's aircraft were quite new and well-maintained, but it is a difficult market for used aircraft at the moment.

Is SN Brussels going to take some of the ex-Sabena A319s?


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Hello guys

As far as i know, SN Brussels will not start Airbus 32F operations in the very near future. The summer season starts next week, the schedules are allready printed... So it doesn't make sense to start this ops now. Lisbon and Athens, two destinations not on the SNBA schedule, will normally not be served this spring...

Pressclub

Another bad news for SN BA: AA is the new codeshare partner of Swiss...





User currently offline737-990 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 364 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Aren't the two A319 that Mexicana now operates originally built for Sabena? Hence MX operating them with CFM engines, instead of the IAEs that are on its A320s.


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User currently offlineIvo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

737-900,

You are right! Mexicana's 2 A319-112 where intended for Sabena.
1618 N618MX = OO-SSP ntu
1634 N634MX = OO-SSQ ntu

Also more widebody info:

A330-223:
c/n 290 VG Airlines as OO-SFQ
296 VG Airlines as OO-SFR
300 VG Airlines as oo-SFS

322 ex OO-SFT stored at XLW 15 jan 02
324 ex OO-SFU stored at XLW 20 dec 01
230 ex OO-SFP ?
A330 301:
c/n 30 for Birdy AL as OO-SFM
37 for Birdy AL as OO-SFN
45 for Birdy AL as OO-SFO

A330-322:
c/n 96 ex OO-SFX ex 9M-MKZ parked TLS 4 feb 02 (for Sogerma ?)

A340-311:
c/n 47 ex OO-SCY stored CHR 13 feb 02
51 ex OO-SCZ stored CHR 14 feb 02

A340-313x:
c/n 385 Air Tahiti Nui F-OJGF OO-SQA ntu
395 Air Tahiti Nui F-OJTN ex Canada 3000 OO-SQB ntu

A340-211:
c/n 14 ex OO-SCW stored CHR 18 jan 02
22 ex OO-SCX parked BRU 1 nov 01

Hope this helps,

Ivo


User currently offlineSpitfire From France, joined Feb 2001, 801 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

And for info, Spitfire c/n 3xxxx parked somewhere between BRU and CRL since 11/7/01...  Pissed


Sabena ... Never to be forgotten (12 years already , what a shame !! )
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2080 times:

Hey guys,

Thank you for all the very usefull and interesting information!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

@Ivo:
Thank you for the fleet information!! This was exactly what I would know. Thanks!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

@Pressclub:
Yes, I heard the bad news too  Crying
I was hoping that SNBA should join OneWorld, and it is Swiss now. I was also hoping that AA should be the code share partner for SNBA. But it is Swiss too (what logic is because AA joins OneWorld too).
Bad news  Sad
Thank you again Swissair - Crossair - Swiss - whatever  Pissed

@Dutchjet:
A topic has been started with this question.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/775528/

Regards,
Sabena 690


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