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User currently offlineNotar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 1207 times:

When is the best time to get IFR ratting ? write after your private pilot or wait and fly a while . And How often does someone need to fly with instructor durring training (IFR) ? I am one of those guys who will pay as I go So kind of need to know what I will be figuring out Far as the money part.



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User currently offlineKevOC3 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

I am actually in instrument ground school at Flight Saftey. We finish our multiengine add on, then move on to instument. Following instrument we then move on to finishing our commercial. From what I have gathered it very overwhelming a first, but gets to be easier as you get used to it. I do know that anytime that you want to log instrument time during training, you must have an appropriate rated pilot with you. Basically, if you a training in VFR, you must have someone who has a private pilot rating with you. Obviously you must have someone who is IFR rated to fly in IMC conditions. Basically, if you want to practice IFR, you should be with an instructor. It is a lot of fun because it really feels like you are flying like the big boys. Good luck.

User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

When is the best time to get IFR rating ? Right after your private pilot or wait and fly a while?

Before you can take the Instrument test, you must gain some flight experience. In addition to having a minimum of 125 TT, you must have logged 50 hours of pilot-in-command (P.I.C) time cross country, not counting the 10 hours from your private cross-countries.* The average student finishes their PPL at 70 hours, so it's possible to begin training relatively soon afterwards. If you anticipate doing lots of flights that are long cross country in nature, it would be a good idea to get your IFR soon afterwards. Additionally, it would be a good idea if you lived in an area with a lot of IFR weather.

Unlike your Private, all of your training for the Instrument will be with an instructor. You should budget accordingly. Also, like your Private training, the more time between IFR flights, the more money you waste. You lose your 'scan' and must relearn objectives as you become rusty very quick. If at all possible, save up and do the rating as fast as you can and try not to 'pay as you go', without going very often! You can finish your IFR rating for the least amount of money if you do it in the most condensed amount of time. (This is why it's best to save up at about $3,000 to get you almost through the training curriculm before beginning aircraft training.) If a student flies three times a week, and keeps up with their book studies, it's possible to get their Instrument in very near the FAA minimum of 40 hours of simulated or actual instrument time and 125 TT. Flying as frequently as possible helps the student to retain the basics of each flight lesson, without having to relearn them again with each subsequent flight because they have lost skill since too much time has passed between lessons. The longer aircraft training takes, the more money is spent on plane rental and Flight Instructors.

For more info, visit:
http://www.flightinfo.com/instrument.htm

*in the US


User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

"Obviously you must have someone who is IFR rated to fly in IMC conditions. Basically, if you want to practice IFR, you should be with an instructor."

Do not take this to mean that you can fly in instrument meterological conditions as the PIC as long as you have an IFR rated pilot onboard! The pilot must be a CFII for you to do that. However, as Kev implied, as a PPL you may practice IFR flying in visual meterological conditions with another PPL, while acting as PIC and wearing a view limiting device. Most peope do this to keep their rating current.

PS- I enjoyed my Instrument training more than any other rating.


User currently offlineKevOC3 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

My fault, you are definitly right, to train in IMC you must have someone with a CFII.

User currently offlineNotar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

thanks av8trxx , kevoc3

Dont worry I wasn't trying to fly imc condition I have one of those stories where I got trapped in it many moons ago.

No I got my ppl in 96 switched over too helicopter in 97 haven't flown fix-wing since then. and I live In PORTLAND,OREGON area so it would be a comfortable thing to have. Just to get out and fly would be cool to file IFR ontop and play around then file to get back. I dont know if I am dumb or what but do not know much about all this IFR stuff any more. I think I have 3 hours of hood time.

thanks for the advice funny you say have the money ready before, because I am doing what you said not to do with helicopter and sure enough I have 50 hours in helicopter ,but not a private pilot in it yet dealt with a death in the family and started my own family .But I am not quitting no way!! I love flying to much.

So what was it like for your first Ifr solo flight in actual IMC conditions ?


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1172 times:

You need at least 40 hours of instrument time, at least 15 of those hours with a CFII. I'd start ASAP. Instrument-rated pilots are safer than non instrument-rated pilots. Anything you can do to improve safety is worth the effort.


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