First Class From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5964 times:
I have flown both types recently. The tripple seven clearly outpaces the narrow A340.
Even though Airbus claims that passengers prefer the A340 over the 777 it must be said at this point that I can't imagin that anybody prefers the A340 over the 777.
It seems that the Airbus figures are manipulated as following: They compared the short to medium-haul 777's used mainly on intra-Asia routes with the A340 only used on long-haul routes.
The cabin layout (pitch; 6, 7, 8, or 9-abreast) differs of course between a short and long-haul aircraft.
If you compare however apples with apples (i.e. long-haul with long-haul) the tripple seven is in any case the preferred passengers choice.
Jaemz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5924 times:
Both aircrafts are aesthetically very beautiful. I just can't decide which is my favorite among this two. Personally, the A340 looks more beautiful in flight. The triple 7 looks cooler with that 6 wheel truck undercarriage extended.
I read many views saying the A340 climbs very slowly. I verified it myself comparing many 777, 747, 340 take-offs... The 340 is indeed a slow overweight granny... working very hard to lift off, climbing as if she's stalled in midair, nevertheless very graceful. Used up a whole lot more runway.
The triple7 seems to be the better performance aircraft, with less flimsy-looking wings than the 330/340s(sometimes they give a feeling they're gonna snap with any more weight to it)
Overall, the triple7 seems like a more rigid plane, nice proportions, the 340 is a graceful plane to look at.
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5914 times:
Thank you, Megatop,
thats exactly my opinion. I hate to read it any more that many Americans obviously love to hate Airbus, and some Europeans have the same problem with Boeing. Thats childish. A340 and B777 are very similar in quality feel when you are inside, and I only prefer the A340 because I think it looks better from the outside.
Its only a matter of personal taste.
VH-OJO From Slovakia, joined Jan 2000, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5908 times:
You must make a more specific comparison. It is not fair to generally compare the two aircraft. It´s like comparing a Ford Explorer to Jeep Grand Cherokee. You must know the features of both to make a fair assessment. I can say that I much prefer LH A340 to UA 777 with its crampy seats, but to say that A340 is a better plane than 777 based on that one observation would be ridiculous. As someone already said to a large extend it all comes down to a matter of taste.
Personally, based on my experience, I think that from a passengers´ standpoint A340 is superior to 777. From the standpoint of plane enthusiast and an amateur pilot, I would prefer to fly 777 over A340 anytime. But maybe a comparison between A330 and 777 would be more proper as these planes are closer to one another in similarities.
Kottan From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5900 times:
Hi there (my first entry!)
I've flown the A340 a few times (AF and SQ) and once the 777 (SQ).
What I disliked on the 777 is the noise of the engines during flight. It's a noise, which get's on the travellers nervs during long-haul flights. Therefore the cabin-noise of the A340 is reasonable.
As far as I know - concerning the TakeOff-Data of the A340 - Airbus had difficulties in getting the desired Engines. Like, they had to sell their model with less powerful engines than expected.
I liked very much the width of the 777-Cabin really huge. But my flights on the A340 (all Business) were really comfortable.
Happy-flier From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5816 times:
Well, I haven't flown on EITHER of the two, so I will give a purely subjective, esthetically-motivated reply: I say the A-340, because it has a unique look to it (i.e. 4 engines, large wings, single level fuselage; sort of reminds me of the stretch DC-8). The 777 looks much like a large 767, so for originality I pick the A-340.
May the wind be always at your back . . . except during takeoff & landing.
Tca256 From Belgium, joined Dec 1999, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5795 times:
Oh c'mon guys, you're spending so much time on this
debate when 80% of us aren't real airlines pilot or even
FA's or technical engineers: all answers are based on
personal tastes........and not
on serious point of view (technical aspects, and so on).
Could someone here write why Airbus or Boeing is
better except such arguments "I'm American and.....",
"I'm European and.....": for the one who said that
he won't never fly long-haul on B777, don't you know
about ETOPS ??? for the other one who said " all passengers like B777", I wonder on which basis you're
stating such things except on your own opinion 'cause
real airplanes lovers I know love both B777 and A340 !!
enough for that low level debate...
Lhmark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5777 times:
I've never flown on either, so I can only comment from an exterior, asthetic point of view. I think the A340 takes the beauty prize hands down. Since the only other frontline, western, 4 engine long hauler is the 747, the A340 exhibits a lot of flair, and almost a retro quality. Happy-flier is right about the trip-7 looking like a big 767, with an anemic tail and that weird, humpy forward fuselage. I don't know which one's more comfortable or exhibits better performance, but I know which one I'd rather drool over.
"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5766 times:
Hey Ravi Boy!!! I get my information like you from my aviation magazines!!! In I believe the Nov 99 issue of the magazine AIRWAYS, there is an article about ETOPS and it mentions some of the disadvantages of using a 2-engine aircraft like the 777 on overseas flights where if you have some kind of in-flight failure of one of your 2 engines you have to head for the nearest airport as soon as possible. With a 4-engine aircraft like the 747 or A340, you don't have to panic, you have the other 3 engines to keep you in the air longer!!!!
MAC_Veteran From Taiwan, joined Jun 1999, 726 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5762 times:
Absolutely, without a doubt. Love the A340. It's a marvelous airplane. It's the quietest airplane I've ever flown on. Comfortable, no more than one seat away from an aisle..Love the airplane -And yes-, the 4 engines matter to me, I'm from the old school and will stick by it. Saw how the USAF believed in it and how it worked, redundancies matter.
Absolutely, -they matter-.
Especially when we are reading of problems on the GE90 equipped 777s of earlier vintage that must have their engines pulled. If that doesnt say something about the vulnerability of a twin on ultra-long haul routes, then I dont know what does.
But, for sure, "spinning" isnt new in this day and age, effectively I might add, and especially this industry. I always keep in mind the same company has tried to "spin" the 737 rudder problems also (another story yes, but indeed still, the same company, hence my distrust and my sense of "why hurry"?) .
The next thing I expect to hear or read is that flying on -one- engine across the Pacific is safer than two.
MAC_Veteran From Taiwan, joined Jun 1999, 726 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5760 times:
In reference to LHmarks comments..I cant help but be struck by the A340s looks as well. Its elegant as ever to me, and indeed it reminds me of another classy airplane, the Douglas DC-8. The A340 in a way reminds me of that beautiful airplane..only a wider version of it. (Grin)
Philly phlyer From United States of America, joined May 1999, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5747 times:
As to your points regarding spinning and ability to tell the truth, I don't think there are many companies in a league with Airbus or Boeing when it comes to spinning and manipulating the facts to the press. Neither one has been noted for frankness and acceptance of shortcomings or problems in their products.
As the saying goes, would you buy a used car from either one?? [Not unless you were a mechanic or had one for a brother-in-law.]
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5744 times:
Okay, I know this thread was about the A340 on the 777, but I hope you'll accept an answer that relates mostly to the A330, as I have much more experience on that. I flew both with CX and have also flown the A330 with Korean and of course, my own dear old Aer Lingus. The 777 is a marvellous aircraft. The one thing that annoyed me about Delta's aircraft was that it has big boxes under each seat (which I assume are something to do with the flight entertainment system) and these impede legroom. That's more an airline than an aircraft issue. From a passenger's point of view, there's really not much between them and I do love flying in a 777. I can't really say I prefer one over the other and at the end of the day, it will probably be down to the airline. If you have a lousy flight with an Airbus airline and a good one with a 777 operator, it might well affect your view. That's escaping the point a little, but for me, that's how close they are.
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