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WestJet Announces YYZ Toronto  
User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1855 posts, RR: 4
Posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

From Yahoo Aviation news:

WestJet Announces Service to Toronto

CALGARY, ALBERTA--WestJet today announced that it is adding service to the new market of Toronto, Ontario starting May 23, 2002. WestJet will offer service from Terminal 3 at Toronto's Pearson International Airport with 13 flights a week between Toronto and Calgary and 13 flights a week between Toronto and Edmonton. One-way fares between Toronto and Calgary will start as low as $205, and one-way fares between Toronto and Edmonton will start as low as $222. Seats are available for sale immediately.

Clive Beddoe, WestJet President and CEO, said today: ``We are pleased to be announcing Toronto today, the newest city in the WestJet network. Toronto and area residents will now be able to take advantage of our unique brand of fun, friendly, low fare air service to western Canada. The Toronto market will be a spoke to our western network and will provide non-stop service from Toronto to Edmonton and Calgary with connections to our Alberta and British Columbia network.

``This is the second city that we have added in 2002, and with the addition of a total of 10 aircraft to our fleet this year, we anticipate adding additional markets, routings, and frequencies across Canada. The Canadian air travel market has recovered well in the first quarter of 2002, and we anticipate that this new market, along with the growth of WestJet in 2002, will make for a very successful year for our airline.''

WestJet serves the 22 Canadian cities of Victoria, Comox, Vancouver, Abbotsford/Fraser Valley, Prince George, Kelowna, Calgary, Edmonton, Grande Prairie, Fort McMurray, Saskatoon, Regina, Winnipeg, Thompson, Sudbury, Sault Ste. Marie, Thunder Bay, London, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto (beginning May 23, 2002), and Moncton. WestJet currently operates a fleet of 28 Boeing 737 aircraft, featuring five state-of-the-art Next-Generation 737-700 aircraft. WestJet is publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange under the symbol WJA

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User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1855 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

Is Montreal next? I for some reason doubt it, but there was an article on todays Montreal Gazette stating the YHU will go through a big expansion and will build a new terminal at the airport.

Personally, I don't understand this. Their hub is in Hamilton, which serves as an alternative to YYZ. So why would WJ fly to YYZ, YHM is also considered a Toronto airport. I guess you can say WJ will now fly to both of Toronto's airports.


User currently offlinePlaneguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Why not serve two airports in the Toronto area? It's a large enough market. After all, serving more than one airport in the same metropolitan area is nothing new. Look at Los Angeles. How many carriers there serve LAX, SNA, ONT, BUR and SNA? In New York a carrier will fly to JFK, EWR and LGA. Toronto is not alone.

User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1855 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

Yes, but T.O. is not the size of LA or NYC, plus WJ is a smaller airline, not a mega huge airline like AA, DL or US. I am confused with WJ. I really don't know what they are doing. It's not that this is bad, it's just that I am confused. Plus, the flights are to YYC(over 20 daily with AC) and YEG(11 daily with AC). But as long as they are doing well, I don't care.

User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

I don't feel this will be all the expansion at YYZ. It was earlier announced that Westjet would also have non-stop flights to Vancouver, Abbotsford, and Kelowna, but maybe with Tango's presence on these routes, Westjet decided against these cities. Also, it could be because they wouldn't have enough planes to do these routes yet, maybe because the 800's aren't coming. Anyways, I feel it isn't the last time we've heard of YYZ and Westjet.

User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

I didn't exactly expect for WJ to serve YYZ so soon, especially when it stated its problems trying to get slots recently! I also have a weird feeling that WJ's set to make even more big announcements within a few weeks, maybe sooner than we think.

This all goes to show you that WestJet is still full of surprises! Big grin


User currently offlineDripstick From Canada, joined Dec 2001, 2364 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

CONGRATS to WestJet!!!

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GO GET'EM!



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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Congratulations to WJ!

YYZ certainly needs competition. Let's hope they pick YUL next!



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User currently offlineYwg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Way to Go Westjet!!!!!
Hopefully you continue to expand into Toronto. I know you will make your presence there very well known to AC. I hope Westjet does well.


YWG777

I am sure Montreal and Halifax will follow.


User currently offlineCYLW From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

This will definitely hurt Hamilton. I don't think YHM can compete with YYZ if the airline is flying to both places. No offence to Hamilton, but I'm pretty sure that at least 50% of the pax that end up in Hamilton continue by other means to Toronto. Now, travellers from the west can "avoid" YHM. Maybe they should have keep YHM as the major hub and have some YHM-YYZ flights!!

User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1855 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

As I said before, I am very confused by them adding YYZ and it could not be good for YHM. Now, the pax will be split, therefore a loss in pax for WJ.

User currently offlineSafeFlyer From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

Congratz WJ, finally an AC alternative at YYZ. I'm sure the flights will be full, combine with the low-fares and fun atmosphere, they will hurt AC.

User currently offlineDripstick From Canada, joined Dec 2001, 2364 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

Don't discount the fact though the some people would sooner fly out of YHM than YYZ due to convenience of the terminal. It may be small and cramped, but it's also hassle free and quick, something that Pearson rarely is.

They will loose a certain number of pax to YYZ, but nothing too substantial IMHO.

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User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

What are you guys talking about? WJ will not lose pax becuase they serve both YHM and YYZ! Those pax that went to YHM from YYZ will now have the convenience to stay in YYZ over all they will gain pax not lose pax. YHM might lose a few pax but when WJ expands out of YHM the amount of pax will grow. Over all WJ will GAIN PAX not lose them.

User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4638 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

The reason they went into YYZ is simple to understand.

BUSINESS TRAVEL.

YYZ is #1 in Canada for corporate HQ's while YYC is #2. It's as clear as day. The amount of business travel between YYZ and YYC and YEG is huge.

Population isn't everything.



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User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

There is a clear demand for them going yo YYZ, they have been negotiating slots since last year or maybe more. They have been told by the pax that they want direct service from YYZ and since WJ does not have a monopoly they have to listen to the pax unlike another carrier we have in this country. I know many businesses that book with AC to YYZ simply becuase they don't want to have to shuttle there employee's to YHM. There is a demand and this was not something that was planned over night. Tango's fare is $6 dollars cheaper but WJ will still do good there. Noise your only confused becuase they didn't go to YUL well its in the future too.

User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

It's like this...

YHM is not an "end of the line" spoke for WJ. With YYZ, Noise, WJ is going, as previously mentioned after business people that travel along the YYC-YYZ and YEG-YYZ corridors. That's it! Nothing else! YHZ's role is entirely seperate from YYZ; it is a "quasi-hub" (it is not by pure definition) that spins off aircraft to YOW, YQM, and soon to be YUL/YHU, YHZ and YYT.

If we move everything to YYZ, pax will have to connect through YYZ from all these eastern cities. Bad idea of course because by using YHM:

- You're avoiding a relatively more difficult connection at YYZ. I'm sure all of you agree it is easier and more pleasant to connect in YHM than YYZ.
- No slots, or interfering traffic to speak of, in YHM.
- Most important here, and that's pure Westjet for Ya: Fees, fees and fees.

Here's a game you all can do at home on your computer:

1. Find a $239 WJ ticket YOW-YEG. Find the total amount with taxes and everything.
2. Find a $219 Tango ticket YOW-YEG. Find the total amount with taxes and everything.
3. Who's cheaper?
4.Surprise, surprise: WJ, by about 40$, one way.

This is why they use YHM.

Regards,
Grégoire


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1855 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

Dash8King, yeah your right, but that's not the only thing I'm confused about. If YHM is a Toronto alternative, and people seem to like going to YHM(if they don't, then why is it planned that the airport will reach 1 million pax in 2002), then there is no need to go to YYZ. WJ has YHM all to themselves, they can to anything they want. Now they will be at YYZ and will have adapt to a new environment.

About WJ loosing pax, imagine there is 100 going Hamilton-Calgary on WestJet on a daily basis. When they introduce YYZ-YYC, the pax will be split 50/50, or 75/25. WJ is not entering a new market, they are just flying into the same community but in a different airport. There is the same amount of people wanting to fly WJ, that number never changed. The people of Toronto will have two airports to choose from. The Business travellers might abandon YHM and fly YYZ. Now, who will fill up the gap the business men left at YHM? Do you see what I'm getting at here.


User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1681 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

now for my 2 cents.


First off this wont hurt YHM at all for the reasons already stated. This also isnt the first time that Westjet has had service to 2 cities so close YXX and YVR are also very close together.

One question I have is now how long is it going to take to get AC here in YHM? Im sure they are a little bothered by this.

Dripstick you have to be from the Hamilton Area are you?

Montreal I think is going to wait till early 2003 or maybe late 2002 I have a feeling that Halifax and St'Johns will come first.

Skyservice Flights out of Hamilton Have been over 85% full on all flights with some being completely full. Just an extra Tidbit for ya.



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User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Yes but YYZ will also bring in business travelers, not everyone is as flexible to be driving an hour to fly cheaper. Many Businesses will now send their employee's via WJ instead of AC to YYZ. I know of a few that send quite a few to YYZ and would prefer WJ but they can't expect their employee's to shuttle from YHM to YYZ. YHM is a great alternative for the Leisure traveller and it will still be cheaper for them to drive to YHM and go to YEG so they will likely still drive.

User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1855 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Fly_yhm, can you explain to me how the loss of business travellers to YYC and YEG will not effect YHM's growth? Can't you see, YYZ will draw away almost all business travellers from YHM to YYZ, therefore YHM will have to really on it's own business travellers Laugh out loud , which isn't much!

User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1855 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Alright Dash8King, I see what you're getting at, but how many leisure travellers fly to Edmonton or Calgary from Toronto??? Not much, except for those who go to Banff, but besides that, there isn't much!!!

User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

There will be a lot more Pax going through YHM once YUL/YHU, YYT and YHZ open up. It will only increase regardless of YYZ opening.

Maybe less local pax, but again I don't think so...


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1855 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Oh I'm not denying that cessnapimp, but with every route WJ starts at YYZ, will draw away passengers ON THAT PARTICULAR ROUTE(example, YHM-YYC) from Hamilton.

User currently offlineIluvwestjet From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

Don't have any real comments about service to YYZ except that I like it...

But, made a call to WestJet and found that they will be using Boeing 737-800s for the first 6 months of service for YYC-YYZ. They are configured to seat 160 passengers.

Didn't check on YEG-YYZ though.


25 Fallingeese : Noise - the YYC-YHM flights weren't targeting the business traveller. The YYC-YYZ route is the most profitable in the country. How can 13 flights be a
26 Fly_yhm : Noise first off all its only to Edmonton and Calgary you must be forgetting that yhm has direct service to 8 other cites of business and YXX and YLW f
27 424_sq : Westjet said from the beginning that Hamilton and the surrounding area (Niagara Falls, St. Catharines, Brantford, Cambridge, Waterloo, Oakville, Burli
28 Noise : I see, Fallingeese, well if the YHM-YYC route wasn't targeting the business traveller, then what were they targeting?
29 Fallingeese : They were targeting the leisure traveller, which was basically what Westjet's business plan was based on. Who would have guessed that it would be this
30 Yyz717 : YYZ will not hurt YHM. Most of the YHM traffic that WJ has is NEW traffic....WJ tends to create air demand (like SW does in the US). YHM and YYZ are s
31 424_sq : Westjet stated previously that they were targeting the passengers who would normally not travel by air , but who may drive or not consider a flight at
32 Cessnapimp : To add to Fallingeese's comments, we, in the industry call it the VFR traffic (visiting friends and relatives). 75% of the Canjet loads were just that
33 Fallingeese : I think that the YYC-YYZ route is really going to get interesting. Tango, Air Canada, and Westjet. Anyone want to guess how long it will take Air Cana
34 Post contains images Dripstick : Predatory pricing? But that's strictly prohibited!
35 Fly_yhm : They wont drop prices, instead they will come to YHM (tango that is) to compete even more with WJ. its going to be announced tomorrow j/k
36 Fallingeese : lol, Dripstick We all remember Air Canada cutting fares by $1000 when the last competition flew YYC-YYZ.
37 Dripstick : Fly_yhm, where did you hear that?
38 Dripstick : Oh...just saw your "j/k". Nevermind.
39 Fly_yhm : Dripstick what are you hiding you wont reveal where you are from.
40 Post contains images Dripstick : Don't you read profiles?
41 Yow : WJ's entry into YYZ I think is a good idea. For an airport of it's size, it has virtually no cometition domestically at the moment. WJ's presence will
42 Fly_yhm : Dripstick Sorry it hasn't always been their because I looked before. Where abouts In hamilton?
43 VonRichtofen : Another note: Some people may think the business traveler will stick with AC on the YYC-YYZ runs because of business class, Aeroplan etc. Obviously th
44 Tennisace : Excuse me, I know this is completely off topic. I'm going to be flying into YHM from Vancouver this June(already booked ticket). Can anyone tell me wh
45 Post contains links and images Dripstick : Tennisace, You can rent a car in advance and pick it up at the counters in the terminal and drive.(Hertz, Avis, National) or There is currently a Hami
46 Tennisace : Thanks, man! That's exactly what I was looking for!
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