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AA Dumping Argenbright At ORD  
User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

I came across this article from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TRAVEL/NEWS/03/20/ohare.security.ap/index.html

If the Federal Government is now in charge of airport security, why did American pull the plug on Argenbright and not the Federal Government? Not that I'm shedding any tears, mind you, but the whole thing seems a little strange in light of the Federal Government's assumption of responsiblity for airport security last month.

Any light you can shed will be appreciated.

Thanks!

Charles, SJ


The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
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User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2903 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1772 times:
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The feds _did_ pull Argenbright -- part of the new TSA setup is that where contractors are used, the feds approve the contracts, and they've already said that Argenbright will not be used. Period.

User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Flashmeister,

What you say makes perfect sense, and it's how I would expect such action to be taken. Yet the headline said it was American who did the replacing. Did CNN get it wrong (quite probable)?

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineBaec777 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

All airport securities & national guards under a new agency, MERGER !!!!!!! Caption read on bottom of screen on CNN & MSNBC.

baec


User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1741 times:


Did the FAA finally get rid of Argenbright? It's about time! The FAA gave Argenbright a second chance, even after 9-11, but did Argenbright improve? Nope. They were kicked out of BOS a couple of months ago.



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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

Actually, GD727, they weren't kicked out of BOS. They were given an ultimatum that said you leave BOS or we'll revoke your licence to perform ANY security in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, airport or otherwise.

LH423



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User currently offlineJettblasterp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

They way the contracts work for now is:

The airlines hire the security company. The airlines pays the security bills. The airlines bills the TSA. The TSA pays the airline. End result: the TSA pays for the security company. The TSA makes the rules now and the TSA decides what goes on planes. The airlines were always the ones with the final decisions, now it is TSA.
This is most likely the way it will run until the TSA can replace the contracted workers with its own TSA employees. This will take a very long time. It is not easy to start a new department of government.  Smile


User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

Jettblaster--Re:"It is not easy to start a new department of government." Yeah, first you have to get that 5:1 manager to grunt ratio going...TC


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User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

Thanks for the replies! It makes sense now.

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineHa2vegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

You've almost got it, Jetblasterp. The actual rule is this:
At all airports where security vendors have contracts with the Feds, the TSA is billed directly by the vendor and the airlines are no longer billed.

At airports where the vendor does not have a contract with the TSA, the airlines are billed and are reimbursed by the Feds. The Feds will not enter into any contracts with Argenbright (because they are the chosen scapegoat, no other reason) so when AA decides to dump Argenbright, the TSA will select a new vendor and will be directly billed.

Argenbright will eventually be replaced at all airports, but this will likely result in a management change only. Front line personnel are likely to remain the same until the Fed guidelines, training and selection are all in place in November of 2002.


User currently offlineJettblasterp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1635 times:

Ha2vegas:

I know the vendor we have at my airport is supposed to have a contract with our screening company. However, our cooperate security is still receiving bills from them. We just bill the Govt what they bill us, plus more for doing the gate sceening if we have to do it as well as GSC coverage.
I totally agree with your opinion on Aregenbright. They did nothing wrong on the 11th. Massport just needed to blame someone even though Massport had nothing to do with it either!


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