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UAL To Shut Down Avolar  
User currently offlineDouglasDC8 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 2957 times:

UAL made it official today, Avolar will be shut down. The Goodwin curse seems to be lifting! It's ashame over $100 million dollars was wasted on this fiasco.

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User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 2916 times:

Well, I guess CALite is no longer the biggest failed airline program Big grin. TC

FL450, M.85
User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6786 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (13 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 2902 times:

What's Avolar?

User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 2892 times:

In short, they wanted to jump on the fractional jet ownership game. Obviously, they're pulling out even before they got one plane in the air.

User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5274 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (13 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 2877 times:

What was Avolar?

ghost77  Smile

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User currently offlineA330300 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months ago) and read 2855 times:

UA's BizJet division.

User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

To elaborate a little, Avolar was United's attempt to join the lucrative biz jet fractional-ownership business. Basically, individuals or corporations can buy a chunk of time on a business jet and use it to go wherever they want, whenever they want to. Doing this on a large scale has been pioneered by Warren Buffet's NetJets and Bombardier's FlexJet. Watching those two companies take some of their best customers away, United's management decided to fight back by starting their own fractional ownership company. Business-wise, it was a brilliant move.. combining United's reputation with the flexibility of corporate jets. It'd also virtually guarantee profit as customers effectively pre-pay for their time, which in turn pays for the operation.. and then some. It also would've created a whole new revenue stream, good for diversification. In reality though, the decision to launch Avolar was seriously ill-timed. Labor relations at United have been sticky for quite some time and the double-whammy of the USAirways purchase and the launch of Avolar shook that antfarm. If management-employee relations were better, I think Avolar would've gotten a much better reception and quite possibly would have aircraft in the sky right now... but, the move to shut it down is probably in UAL's best interest right now as they try to fix what's broken before they try to build something else..

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30264 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

How are the guys over at Dassault taking this....

User currently offlineRepublic From Canada, joined Dec 2012, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2782 times:


User currently offlineCOboeing777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 693 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Did they use CRJs or a similar looking jet for this? Because there were a few times where I seen CRJs or similar looking jets painted in United's colors taking off from Teterboro Airport in NJ. The only thing was that they didnt say United Airlines in white on the fuselage. Otherwise all the other colors were there. I've been curious as to what those planes were, and why they were painted in UA colors with name UA on it.

User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

L-188, Dassault will get a some compensation for the cancelled orders from UAL Corp. However, they've lost a big client (unless somebody buys Avolar and are thus not very happy I think.

User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

i do think it was the goodwin curse like douglasdc8 said, but i think it was his whole team. get rid of dutta and the company will soar once more.

User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

According to the FT today, Dassault won't give UAL its USD 14mio deposit back and is indeed negotiating with UAL about penalty payments. Moreover, Dassault issued a statement where they say that they don't get into trouble by the cancellation of the order and intend to re-market the aircraft.

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