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KLM Order 8 772ER, 3 744ERF And A332!  
User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2181 posts, RR: 7
Posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

Guys,

Great news for Boeing, and Airbus as well  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

From KLM Website:

AMSTELVEEN, March 28, 2002 - KLM Royal Dutch Airlines announced today that the company intends replacing the Boeing 747-300, MD-11 and Boeing 767 aircraft types currently operated in its intercontinental fleet with two new types, the Boeing 777-200 and the Airbus A330-200. KLM’s current 747-300F freighter aircraft will be replaced with Boeing 747-400 Freighters.


This replacement program will improve the cost efficiency and competitiveness of the KLM fleet as the new aircraft will have lower unit costs and superior operating characteristics within KLM’s network. The new aircraft are expected to reduce environmental impact, increase customer appreciation and enhance flexibility in the network. Furthermore, the aircraft are being purchased at a time when the market for aircraft purchase is very favorable.


The fleet replacement, about which KLM has been negotiating with the two airplane manufacturers, engine manufacturers and several lease companies since August 2001, is planned to take place in two phases.


During the first phase, KLM will replace the twelve Boeing 747-300 aircraft currently operated, with eight Boeing 777-200ER (Extended Range) aircraft and three Boeing 747-400ERF (Extended Range Freighter) freighters. The first Boeing 777-200ER aircraft will be delivered late 2003. The last Boeing 747-300 will be phased out before 2005. KLM is currently still negotiating with various parties on its choice of engines for the new aircraft.


For the second phase, KLM is negotiating the replacement of its ten MD-11s and twelve Boeing 767-300ERs with a combination of A330-200’s and additional Boeing 777-200ER airplanes.


On completion of the fleet replacement program, KLM will have reduced the number of aircraft types in its intercontinental fleet from four to three, comprising the Boeing 747-400 (in all-passenger, combi and freighter configurations); the Boeing 777-200ER; and the Airbus A330-200.


The KLM Board of Managing Directors will be making further announcements on the fleet renewal at the May 8, 2002, press conference presenting the company’s results for fiscal 2001/2002.

But it's pretty sad for the 763 fans, and the 743 fans out there :-(

BA777

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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

I think that the B777 will look good in KLM colours, but is their livery not a bit ageing?

Regards,
Sabena 690


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1593 times:

OHHHH YESSSSSs

ANOTHER NEW A330 and Boeing 777 operator !!

Boeing 747-400F that is a great addition to KLM's fleet

This is definately a good news to me  Smile

Charles



Airliners is the wings of my life.
User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Congrats to both Airbus and Boeing!


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Imagining an A330 in those colors is making me drool....  Love

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1569 times:


Hi!

It's good to know that KLM is stepping up to their future. In one way I understand quite well the introdution of the 777 in their fleet, but the A330-200 for me is like send an arrow in Africa. I like very much Airbus and their airliners but for me it would be much more intentional for KLM to buy perhaps the 767-400 than the A330-200, they have an all Boeing fleet and I'm sure it will be easier for them to certify as pilot from the 737NG untill the 747-400, now with the A330 in the middle that will be something interesting to see! But KLM was always very independent in their way to order airliners. I remember in the 50's when KLM had all Lockheed Constellation/Super Constellation fleet for medium/long haul services they ordered the DC-6 for South America routes, interesting no?
regards


User currently offlineSUDDEN From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

This is sure good news.
Can't wait to snap some shots of the A330 in KLM coulors.
Nice.
Can it be that they order the A330 because of that NW have done it, to get a good agreement on maintenance?
Or am I totally wrong?



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

They probably got the A332 because it is the best aircraft in its class - 200-250 pax shorter intercontental flights. KLM does not appear to be alone in preferring it over the 767-400. The A332 also carries a lot of cargo for its size, which no doubt is very important to KLM.

With both the 772ER and A332, they will have more flexibility for their routes, which is a good thing.


User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2181 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

I guess they will send some 772 and 332 to LHR for crew training  Big thumbs up

BA777  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Yes!! Nice to see the A330 being picked, should be great to see some in KLM colours.....but it wouldnt surprise me if KLM were to role out a new colour scheme in a few months  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
EGFF



All together or not at all
User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

I see the article attached showing the A332's being part of the plan, but I cannot find it anywhere else including Airbus' site. Is this actually true? The web is strangely silent to the A332 buy.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

The order for the 777s and 744 Freighters is definite, the 743s will be replaced.

The additional order, Phase Two, for more 777s and A332s to replace the MD11/763 is something that is yet to come and still to be negotiated. Sometimes the Dutch Media overstates the facts. I do not think any A332s have yet been ordered, that is why Airbus has nothing to announce.

When did KLM get two extra 763s, I thought they had 10 and and the article says 12.


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

I agree with Dutchjet. The intial phase of the this order has begun which means that the 777-200ERs an 747-400ERFs have been ordered. Phase two which calls for the ordering of A330-200s and/or additional 777-200ERs has not come yet.

This news is good for both manufacturers and especially the 747 line. I wonder though if we will see Airbus's in KLM's colors or not. Seeing that that part of fleet renewal process is still "up in the air".



"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Is this in addition to the KLM order for 772s, 744Fs, and A332s being discussed in an earlier thread on this same page?  Innocent

Doesn't anyone look at existing threads before starting a new one?????



Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

WOW, my day just got a lot better. Can't wait till i get to ride on one of those. Maybe they will send a 777 to MSP! It would be the first.

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

747Fs,777s and A330. Strange Mix. Totally different cockpits make it impossible to interchange pilots. The 777 is odd here. The A340 would more sense together with the A330.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

KLM might be using the threat of an A330 order as a way to get a better deal from Boeing. Plenty of airlines have done the same thing in the past.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

I am sure that at this moment, Airbus is doing everything possible to make sure that Phase 2 includes at least some A332s in the mix. On the other hand, Boeing will do everything in its power to convince that the A332 is not necessary, additional 772s (and maybe some 773s) would provide a flexible fleet to cover KL's long haul routes. KL is certainly "using" this announcement to make sure that they get the best possible price for the Phase 2 aircraft. I think it could either way at this point.

User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

How may A330-200s are in bussines here?

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

What about the possible use of the 777-200 as a competitor against the A330-200? This way, KLM would operate the same aircraft but have two different flavors? Same cockpit, crews, engines and interoperability?


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
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