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AA & AE Pilot Unions Call For Single Carrier  
User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Posted (14 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

April 1, 2002

Pilot Leaders of American Eagle and American Airlines Call for Job Security Through Transition to Single Carrier

WASHINGTON, DC---The following letter was released today by the pilot leaders of the American Eagle Master Executive Council (MEC) of the Air Line Pilots Association, and the Allied Pilots Association (APA), representing American Airlines pilots:

Fellow Pilots,

Over the last several weeks, AMR management has made several confusing and misleading statements with regard to the ASM and block-hour limitation provision of the American Airlines pilots’ contract. We want to set the record straight.

On February 1, American Eagle management said that the only way for Eagle to stay underneath the ASM cap was to cancel unprofitable cities, reduce frequencies, park aircraft, and consider selling Executive Airlines. Such actions would clearly result in the furlough of American Eagle pilots. As you know, the Allied Pilots Association made a proposal to management on January 18 that was designed to address management’s stated need to preserve commuter feed to American Airlines and keep the carrier’s recovery going strong. The ultimate effect of APA’s proposal would have been to combine American Airlines and American Eagle. It has never been APA’s intention to cause any additional furloughs at American Eagle or to use this proposal as short-term "furlough protection" for the American Airlines pilots. The proposal is designed to meet APA’s long-term goals by eliminating any scope concerns.

APA made its proposal in response to management’s request for relief from the ASM and block-hour caps that are in effect due to the furlough of American Airlines pilots. American Eagle President Peter Bowler, commenting on the proposal, said that he "was a little confused about how it works." He went on to say that it was not a realistic proposal and that if it were good idea, someone else would have done it. In his February 13 message, American Eagle VP Flight Operations Ed Criner expressed "great concern" about the "continued job security" of Eagle pilots if management were to agree to APA’s proposal. "If APA’s offer was accepted, it is foreseeable that Eagle pilots would continually be displaced from their equipment and hundreds of our pilots would be furloughed," Criner wrote. American Airlines management responded by indicating that it did not have any interest in even discussing APA’s proposal. Criner’s "great concern" about the prospect of displacements and furloughs is nothing more than a classic fear grenade with no factual basis.

In a letter to American Eagle employees on March 14, Bowler said "…unless there is a breakthrough in discussions between AA and its pilots union, we may still be required to proceed with a sale of our Executive and Miami operations at some point in the future." It is hard to imagine that anyone would see this for anything other that what it is: an attempt to circumvent the ASM and block-hour caps. At best, selling off Eagle piecemeal in this fashion would be a definite gamble that does nothing to address the longer-term problem or to enhance shareholder value. Rather than trying to negotiate a solution with APA, AMR management has pulled from their playbook the same old whipsaw tactic. Our pilot groups will not be fooled, and we will not allow management to divide our collective membership.

One of APA’s biggest concerns is the continued outsourcing of mainline flying (flying that is not intended to provide feed) to American Eagle and other commuter air carriers. AMR management has made it clear that "small jets" such as those flown by American Eagle and the American Connection are revenue generators and not feeder aircraft. In 1987, the APA agreed to a "Commuter Air Carrier" exemption to their scope clause. It was never APA’s intention to exempt a major airline such as American Eagle from the scope clause. By combining American Eagle into American Airlines, Eagle would no longer be a competitor to AA.

Meanwhile, there is a very real, ongoing threat to Eagle pilots’ job security in the form of American Connection carriers Trans States and Chautauqua. These carriers have been replacing Eagle in a variety of markets. If not for the ASM and block-hour caps in the American Airlines pilots’ contract, it is conceivable that the outsourcing of Eagle’s flying to the American Connection carriers might well be accelerated.

The leadership at APA and the Eagle ALPA MEC remain convinced that the best solution for all concerned is to transition to one carrier operated under the American Airlines banner. Although management decided not to enter discussions in response to APA’s January 18 proposal, American management and the APA will be addressing the commuter affiliate issue during the course of their current Section 6 negotiations. "

Captain Jim Higgins
American Eagle ALPA MEC Chairman /s/

Captain John E. Darrah
APA President

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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4661 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (14 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Just one question for the pilot union leaders: if American Eagle were merged into American, what do they specifically expect to see changed? The union leaders insist that they don't want to see regional pilots laid off to protect American pilots. But AA wants to fly smaller planes on more routes, both on so-called "feed" and "mainline" routes. Which means more pilots flying smaller planes, whoever those pilots are, in either arrangement.

And flying regional aircraft means regional pay, folks. We've been round and round on this one at the forum many times before. 50-seat aircraft are *not* economical if they are flown by pilots paid at mainline salaries. So, since our union pilots obviously don't want to see AA's already gushing red ink to slosh even deeper, clearly any pilot of a merged AA-AAE would obviously accept *regional pilot pay for flying a regional aircraft.* Whatever the organizational arrangement. Right?  Big grin

Of course, this entire discussion is moot. There's a greater possibility of a fleet of ERJ's flying out of my rear end, than there is of AMR merging AA and AAE. But some clarity is needed here about the unions' point in issuing this press release.


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User currently offlineRipcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Thats a great idea...Pilots should be able to start with eagle on the saab340 and go up to the 777. Pay by aircraft and miles flown it would make for a stronger airline. And by the way on a side note American Eagle employees will get profit sharing checks this month for a profit made on the backs of American employees. Eagle at ORD dont have to pay for much of their operation it comes out of Americans Budget iam pretty sure this happens system wide

User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5499 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

There is only one thing though. American Airlines and American Eagle are basically the same airline. If a route is too small for an AA jet, they transfer it to an AE jet. If a route is too big for an AE jet, the use an AA jet.

As far as pilots unions go, I think it would work, but the overall size would be enormous though.


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User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2872 times:


I know that I have been a big ALPA banner waver here, but in this case the Eagle pilots basically screwed themselves from the get-go.

No flow through agreement ever existed, the pay was always in the sewer, and the contract kept them at the bottom of the industry for the foreseeable future.

Now they want to integrate everything and abandon the scope clause, etc. Real clever. We'll see what happens. Probably going to be one hell of an A scale/B scale situation like the 80s. Good luck.

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