US A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
Crew Rest in the U.S. has been one of the most popular issues discussed in this forum. In this thread I would like everybody to contribute what they know about this issue so that in the future anybody with questions on this topic can be directed to this thread. First, I would like to get a list of the FAA crew rest guidelines or a brief summary. Then we could compare how crew rest guidelines differ between airlines and the facilities used for crew rest on different airplanes within the airlines (744 cabins, first class seats in 76's). We can also discuss popular issues such as Delta's 764's problems with Crew Rest and United's 763's on Hawaii routes. The issues that exist between older tri-jets being replaced with twins. Questions are also welcome. Here's a list of some airlines and their planes whose crew rest I would like to learn about:
Cmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1594 times:
I know that on AA 762's and 763's from JFK to Rio De Janaro, they leave seat 2E open for a crew rest seat. I also know that American very often leaves the last row of coach in the middle 38-42 on international and transcon flights open for crew rest. Hope This helps.
"Traveling light is the only way to fly" - Eric Clapton
Aq737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1579 times:
On one Delta 772ER, didn't they put th eoverhead rests? On the DL 764s, the pilots aren't happy with the F or B class so, they don;t fly route 8+ hours. That's why SLC was added and DFW and ATL deleted. UA & AA fly from ORD alond with TZ. I;m not sure about them. Anyone else?
Mehtabrahman From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 228 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1523 times:
On Bangladesh Biman, I have observed air crew taking rest and sleep on a double decked bed behind the cockpit on long haul flights (more than 5 hours). Have also seen some air hostesses taking rest in designated crew rest areas in the middle of the MD-10-30 aircrafts, with a elegant cover on the seats that read 'For crew rest only' in red italics.
Mikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1521 times:
A couple of things should be stated first:
1) Are we talking about Pilots or both Pilots and F/A's
2) The regulations should be stipulated first:
To answer the above questions, i'll assume that both the F/A's and the pilots are being referred to.
The FARs mandate that on all flights over 8 hours but under 12 hours block to block that a 2 man flight deck have 1 relief pilot. On all flights over 12 hours must have 2 relief pilots. For Flight attendants, there are no federally mandated crew rest requirements.
The FARs also DO NOT stipulate that on 8 to 12 hour flights, an airline has to provide some sort of crew rest facility, however, on 12+ hour flights, an airline must provide adequate bunk facilities.
As for Delta, 7 MD-11 aircraft configured for 12+ hour flights have a double pull-out bunk aft of the flight deck on the left hand side of the aircraft. The other 8 MD-11's give the pilot a BusinessElite seat plus an additional legrest to provide horizontal leg elevation. The F/As on both MD-11's recieve an enhanced Y/C seat at 45" of pitch at the rear right side of the coach cabin.
Deltas 767 and 777's (except 7002) are set up similar to the MD-11 trans-atlantic aircraft for both Pilots and F/A's. Deltas ship 7002 has an overhead facility for both the pilots (door 1) and the F/A's (door 3). The pilots get two bunks and two seats while the F/A's get 8 bunks and 2 seats.
RogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1469 times:
Can someone explain what an overhead facility is?
The F/As on both MD-11's recieve an enhanced Y/C seat at 45" of pitch at the rear right side of the coach cabin.
I've monitored this situation a lot because I often ask to be seated far back in the middle row of seats if I'm flying in coach - its more likely to be empty.
Why do the F/A's need a rest seat that is better than most of the paying passengers get?
I find it annoying that the airline's employees are more comfortable than the passengers. Also, I often see the F/A's eating first class meals with a real cooked breakfast on real china back here, when the rest of us are enjoying our plastic food and tablewear.
I think one of the reasons coach seats are so uncomfortable on long flights is b/c the airline employees rarely have to sit in them. Furthermore, the airline is admitting that their uncomfortable by provding better seats for the 1 or 2 hours the employee has to use it.
Mikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
Rogue Trader....much of it has to do with the fact that a crew of 12 have to work 11 hours on a 12 hour flight. Its similar to anything else, they need to get off their feet get an adequate level of rest in order to maintain a sufficient level of awareness in the work environment. Many safety factors come into play here. Work a 10 to 12 hour flight and tell me whether or not you need a rest period and have a rest facility that provides you with some sort of comfort level.