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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1108 times:
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I was wondering if AA can manage to offer 34/35 in seat pitch in it's planes without losing money, then, why don't the other major transatlantic carriers do the same and give 34 in seat pitch? (UA, BA, DL, LH, CO etc)

Is it because they will lose money doing it? or is it that they just don't simply want to?

thanks
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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1050 times:

They don't need to.
Also, MRTC is a nice touch...but I don't think it's the real reason people are buying tickets. Price will always rule the main cabin!


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1043 times:
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Although i haven't flown on AA's MRTC, i'd be willing to pay an extra $100's for 34 in seat pitch. Would make a lot of difference on a 10 hour transatlantic flight

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User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1565 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1030 times:

Arsenal (god I hate to type that being a Spurs fan  Laugh out loud ), although they do not get the revenue from having less seats, I would have thought that all they did was reduce the number of seats they have for sale at the consol rates. I know that in the past they used to consol in Q and H class, but now they just sell Q class. They make up their shortfall by selling less "cheap seats"
Matt


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1025 times:

It sure makes a difference on a 10 hour transatlantic flight, but like Greg said most people just pick the lowest price.
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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1003 times:
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LOL Lapper!! Big grin

Anyone flown on AA's MRTC planes? what was it like?

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User currently offlineMilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

AA's MRTC is awesome. Honestly, I'd say it's the best marketing strategy since the launch of the AAdvantage program.

Totally makes a difference.


User currently offlineSCXmechanic From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 986 times:

I flew on AA a few weeks ago, MCO-JFK-MCO... Its about the same as we have on SWA..

User currently offlineBombayhog From United States of America, joined May 2001, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 974 times:

MRTC is amazing. It's the reason that I've chosen to be loyal to AA, as much as I can. So it worked on me at least. I recently spent more to fly on AA when I could have flown on NW for less. It was about an 80 dollar difference.

/gwl


User currently offlineDrewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 960 times:

AA's MRTC is a nice feature. I flew AA MCO-DFW-XNA yesterday 757/ER4 and the ability to stretch your legs out without getting black and blue marks on your shins makes me a true believer that there is a difference. I could really tell the difference.when I stepped on the ERJ which has maybe 31 in pitch.

User currently offlineBUFJets From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 949 times:

Often, the difference in price between one airline and another is only a few dollars. Assuming everything else the same (except nominal differences in price), I will pick AA because of MRTC. It really makes a difference for me, even on short flights. I'm 6'2" tall and the extra room is greatly appreciated.

User currently offlineInvicta From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 946 times:

I flew AA LAX-LHR-LAX a few weeks ago and noticed the extra space. The seats themselves could be more comfortable though. Compared to the same trip I made last year on Virgin, I have to say the extra room made a huge difference and would be worth paying more (fares were the same though). I would avoid ever flying Virgin again because of the lack of space. I don't have to endure that level of discomfort on an hour hop from LAX-SFO. AA has the right idea I think. Comfort is more important to me than what they serve for dinner or the friendliness of the crew.

User currently offlineAAgent From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 560 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 927 times:

MRTC is extremely popular with our passengers. People notice the extra space immediately and they really appreciate it. It's becoming clear that the MRTC configuration has created a large group of loyal AA customers that now cringe at the thought of flying another carrier's coach. That's music to my ears!

...Only on American!

Respectfully,
AAgent



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 917 times:
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Didn't AA take out 1 row of economy class seats to create MRTC?.

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User currently offlineFlightSimFreak From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 910 times:

What does MRTC mean?

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 906 times:

More Room Throughout Coach
Donder10  Smile


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 907 times:
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MRTC stands for "More room throughout coach". Extra legroom in economy to put it simply.

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User currently offlineAAgent From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 560 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 902 times:

Arsenal@LHR,

American removed roughly two rows of coach class seats throughout the entire AA fleet (and now the ex-TWA fleet).


Has anyone noticed that the phrAAse "More Room Throughout Coach" has evolved?

It's now ...

"More Room For More Coach Passengers ... Only on American''

Respectfully,
AAgent



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 897 times:

It is worth noting that the amount of extra room varies throughout the coach cabin. Exit doors and emergency exits dictate where certain seats HAVE to be. I have found that in the foreward parts of the cabin the extra room is noticable, in the back not so much.

Admittedly it is nice to be able to comfortably cross your legs in flight. But I don't really benefit from the extra room, being only 5'9", though I see how the tall guys would like it.


Though I wonder if a smaller carrier could have been successful with MRTC. I think one advantage that American has it that is has so much available capacity each day, that pulling 2 or 3 rows from coach is not much of a loss in total capacity. Perhaps somebody can shed some light on this.



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 895 times:
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It's frustating to see BA/VS offering 31/32 inch seat pitch on transatlantic flights when u can have 34/35 in sp on AA. Gotta give AA a try next time over the atlantic.




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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 889 times:

actually, none of AA's planes have a 35" seat pitch. A close friend is a mechanic lead @ MIA.. he said most seats have about 1" of extra legroom depending on the length of the aircraft. He also said the MD 80 fleet is a bit wierd, as the seats behind the the emergency exit on the left have the most legroom... but there are only a few consistent rows in the MD 80s that have the same legroom... so it's hit or miss.

The TWA 757s have the most legroom in the *back* of the plane... where you'll see 34" of seat pitch.

I've flown a few more flights than I wanted on AA, mainly AA MD80s, Airbus A300, and the ex TW 757 (including the ERJs and ATRs, but those don't have MRTC) and I must say, I wasn't impressed. Being a 1P at United, I get Economy Plus and I definitely missed United each time I got on board on AA plane. AA's seats are considerably thinner than UA and aren't as plush, and the legroom is a considerable difference on Y+ on UA than MRTC on AA.

The other thing you need to remember about seat pitch.. it's from the back of the seat in front of you to the back of YOUR seat. Most airline seats are bigger than others... ie I flew an AA MD 80 LAS-ORD and an ex TW 757 STL - LAS... the MD80 seat was considerably nicer and more comfy, and *thicker*...

-n


User currently offlineBombayhog From United States of America, joined May 2001, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 876 times:

I find it hard to believe that "most seats only have one inch extra legroom." Every time I've been on an AA flight since they did MRTC, which has been 8 flights, I have noticed a considerable difference. I haven't been in UA Y in years, so I can't try to compare, but personally I find the new AA seats very comfortable.

/gwl


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 869 times:

I need to rephrase something. The "thinner" seat on the ex TWA 757 isn't seat width, but the thickness of the seat back.

My point is that some seat bottom cushions aren't all the same size ...

-n


User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 858 times:

Well done AA. I have always thought this was such a brilliant move. It's good to see airlines like AA and BA (with World Traveller Plus) giving customers "down the back" what they've been asking for for years. No wonder BA/AA make such good partners  Smile  Smile

Cheers


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 854 times:

I might be wrong but Caribbean configured A300's don't seem to have been reconfigured to MRTC. For some reason they feel extremely cramped and uncomfortable .
Now you can notice the difference on a 737-800 there is just so much space.
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User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 25, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 841 times:

I think it is one of the best marketing strategies in awhile. True, I do give credit because if United had not introduced Economy Plus, AA would not have introduced "More Legroom for More Coach Passengers, Only on American."

My first experience with AA's MRTC was on a 4 hour DFW-YVR flight and I was impressed. Last summer, I flew ORD-LHR-ORD and I will definately say that the extra legroom was heavenly and made a difference. I certainly noticed it when I connected to a BA flight after landing in LHR. BA's legroom wasn't bad, but I definately did notice the lack of legroom.

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