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Delta Will Be Discontinue BOS-LGW  
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Just came in as for news by today on press releases. So read this!!

Delta will continue to build its service between Atlanta and London's Gatwick Airport by offering a fourth flight this summer. Delta will operate three flights daily and a fourth flight three days a week, with service from Atlanta on Thursday, Friday and Saturday and from London on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. All London flights will feature Delta's BusinessElite service. As Delta introduces the additional Atlanta-London frequencies, it will discontinue nonstop service between Boston and London, effective June 1. Delta will continue to offer nonstop daily service to London from its Cincinnati hub.


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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1897 times:
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What's the reason for DL scrapping BOS-LGW? Poor loads?

Arsenal@LHR



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Because this is happened with BOS-LGW were very low load factors on the passengers in flight.  Sad

User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2932 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

That's a shame.
Mind, I did express my doubts when I asked DL about the service a few months ago and posted the response on here. The fact that they kept on stressing how important and crucial the route was for the future of their BOS plans made me more than suspicious.
The facts make grim reading. Average load since 9/11, less than 50%, yield below operating cost, massive discounting (cheapest this easter holiday on the service was 149GBP plus taxes).
But is it the route which is a dud, or does BOS-Europe rely on connecting traffic rather than point to point ?
Was it a "chicken or the egg" problem, i.e., was the route launched before DL had set up an adequate feeder schedule ?
Does this lay to rest Delta's transatlantic ambitions out of BOS?
I have said it before on here, if a carrier as successful as DL over the atlantic can not sustain service out of BOS to LGW, could anyone make money out of it ?
It is always a shame to see a route fail, and this is no exception.
However, it is reassuring to see that DL's presence will be maintained by the addition of a 4th ATL service.

Shamu



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1766 times:
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Sad to see the route being dropped. But i think BOS-LGW could work in the future once Delta builds a strong presence at BOS.

Arsenal@LHR



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

DL should have done BOS-CDG first IMO.

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

but who operates Boston - Heathrow????

BA has 1 daily, United does.... then AA has 2 flights low season, 3 high season I believe..... *scratches head* isn't Virgin in there too??

-n


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1724 times:
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Virgin flies to Boston aswell with 747's


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User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

It's the other way round....BA has 3 daily services (all 777) and the others UA, AA and VS just one!  Smile

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

I don't believe DL's strength in Boston has anything to do with the lack of success on the LGW run. In my opinion, pure and simple, it was the route that was the dud...not the carrier, not the respective cities. People just think 'Heathrow' when they think of London, and when there are so many LHR-BOS flights (and most, if not all, do well), LGW is easily pushed into the background. Virgin made a go of the route because, well, they are Virgin. There's a following with that carrier wherever they go. And the fact that DL could not make a go of this route even after Virgin switched to Heathrow is even more telling: people want Heathrow.

Now, what does this say about other transatlantic routes from Boston? On the whole, you've got to expect that, by and large, you're not going to fill planes all the time in the off-season. There are routes that DL's 767-300 might have been better positioned on...Dublin, for one.

With so many other ways to London from most cities, the DL BOS-LGW route was easily lost in the noise. I hope they don't give up transatlantic plans for Boston, just think smarter about a better airport than LGW...especially when there are 7x BOS-LHR flights to compete agaist each day.


User currently offlineBy738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

Delta......fancy a wee BOS- GLA with that spare aircraft ? A 767 would do .

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

I think it's this way:
BA has 3x (2 777s and a 744)
VS has 1 (a 744, soon to be a A340)
UA has 1 (a 767-300)
AA has 2 (a 767-300 and a 777)

Total, 7x each day


User currently offline2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Wasnt Delta doing real good on this route pre 9/11?

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

2cn,
no!


User currently offlineMikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Actually, loads were very good on the flight however the problems were as follows:
1) Tiny Margins: While loads were high, the price for tickets were quite low whereby margins were slim to none.
2) Competition: As pointed above, 5 airlines on the route and 4 of which flew to Heathrow not Gatwick
3) No feed: ACJet provided relatively low feed
4) No connections: flights arrived to late to hit many connections. Why would a pax fly Delta from LGW to LAX stopping in BOS witha 3 hour layover when they could fly LHR-LAX direct (and vice versa)



User currently offlinePapatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

why move it to atl . cvg needs a second lgw flight

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

I would not be surprised to see this route resumed if/when DL gets LHR access. At least we got flights to ACK now...

Jeff


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

Shame to see it go, but I guess DL had no choice. If DL were to ever get LHR authority, I think they'd bring this route back in a heartbeat. Even w/o LHR access, this route might come back in about 4 years after the new terminal is open and DL has more feed added in.

User currently offlineJvW From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

Could I get a source for this information please. I have not heard anything in this regard; not saying that it is not true, but some more confirmation would be great.

thanks,

JvW


User currently offlineCVG777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

It can be found in the news section on Delta.com, although I beleive that it is under the headline mentioning expanded service in ATL and Florida.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Not surprising, but sad news

I have used BOS LGW twice this winter, and it was always empty.

Ill have to find another way to get to the north east!




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User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

This is the major problem with BOS from the UK. It is a very seasonal service. Flights are packed in the summer, but wide open in the winter. As BOS is no ones real hub, the majority are BOS o/d traffic, which is tough against the LHR competition.

Traffic from MAN to BOS is enormous, but they all want to fly from June to September.


User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

So, the 4th ATL-LGW flight, what aircraft? MD11 I hope!

LGW


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

The fourth flight will utilize a B767-300ER.

For the record, the three daily ATL-LGW flights will be two MD-11s and, thank the Lord, the B777 returns to LGW running DL58/DL59.



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User currently offlineEugdog From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1389 times:

maybe Delta thought there was more profits in adding an Atlanta - London Gatwick flight then BOS-lgw. These airlines only have certain number of slots so an additional flight from Atlanta means something else has to go. Also BOS -LGW is grossly uncompetitive compared to BOS-LHR which all other airlines use!

25 BestWestern : BOS LON has always been difficult to make money on, and many many airlines have come and gone from this route. DL joins NW and TW as US airlines havin
26 ChrisNH : Well, why didn't the folks at Delta see all this before they decided upon Gatwick as the launch city for BOS transatlantic service? All of the factors
27 Jrlander : I don't think this is the end for Delta's translatlantic plans for BOS. Their new terminal which will be complete in 2005 will have its own immigratio
28 Donder10 : Why dont they fly to CDG instead where they have the alliance with AF
29 Billy : US carriers seem to rush to grab any unused traffic rights, irrespective of the logic or commercial viability (eg AA on LHR-PHL). They hope that opera
30 DeltAirlines : Delta "does" fly to CDG from BOS, having the code share on Air France's twice daily Boston flights. The Paris market is also pretty full, with AF havi
31 Dutchjet : Delta tried the BOS-LGW route, so it did not work? I am just surprised as to how quickly they are dropping the route......and I found the timing odd,
32 Wilcharl : side note, i just flew LGW-BOS-MCO a week and a half ago and it was great, i hate pond crossings to the south because the flights are so long, i prefe
33 Aio86 : I don't think that Delta's connection times at Boston were a problem, I think that BOS is just more of an O&D destination. An example. UA isn't the bi
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