ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2530 times:
Just came in as for news by today on press releases. So read this!!
Delta will continue to build its service between Atlanta and London's Gatwick Airport by offering a fourth flight this summer. Delta will operate three flights daily and a fourth flight three days a week, with service from Atlanta on Thursday, Friday and Saturday and from London on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. All London flights will feature Delta's BusinessElite service. As Delta introduces the additional Atlanta-London frequencies, it will discontinue nonstop service between Boston and London, effective June 1. Delta will continue to offer nonstop daily service to London from its Cincinnati hub.
Blueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3396 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2317 times:
That's a shame.
Mind, I did express my doubts when I asked DL about the service a few months ago and posted the response on here. The fact that they kept on stressing how important and crucial the route was for the future of their BOS plans made me more than suspicious.
The facts make grim reading. Average load since 9/11, less than 50%, yield below operating cost, massive discounting (cheapest this easter holiday on the service was 149GBP plus taxes).
But is it the route which is a dud, or does BOS-Europe rely on connecting traffic rather than point to point ?
Was it a "chicken or the egg" problem, i.e., was the route launched before DL had set up an adequate feeder schedule ?
Does this lay to rest Delta's transatlantic ambitions out of BOS?
I have said it before on here, if a carrier as successful as DL over the atlantic can not sustain service out of BOS to LGW, could anyone make money out of it ?
It is always a shame to see a route fail, and this is no exception.
However, it is reassuring to see that DL's presence will be maintained by the addition of a 4th ATL service.
So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4383 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2145 times:
I don't believe DL's strength in Boston has anything to do with the lack of success on the LGW run. In my opinion, pure and simple, it was the route that was the dud...not the carrier, not the respective cities. People just think 'Heathrow' when they think of London, and when there are so many LHR-BOS flights (and most, if not all, do well), LGW is easily pushed into the background. Virgin made a go of the route because, well, they are Virgin. There's a following with that carrier wherever they go. And the fact that DL could not make a go of this route even after Virgin switched to Heathrow is even more telling: people want Heathrow.
Now, what does this say about other transatlantic routes from Boston? On the whole, you've got to expect that, by and large, you're not going to fill planes all the time in the off-season. There are routes that DL's 767-300 might have been better positioned on...Dublin, for one.
With so many other ways to London from most cities, the DL BOS-LGW route was easily lost in the noise. I hope they don't give up transatlantic plans for Boston, just think smarter about a better airport than LGW...especially when there are 7x BOS-LHR flights to compete agaist each day.
Mikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2109 times:
Actually, loads were very good on the flight however the problems were as follows:
1) Tiny Margins: While loads were high, the price for tickets were quite low whereby margins were slim to none.
2) Competition: As pointed above, 5 airlines on the route and 4 of which flew to Heathrow not Gatwick
3) No feed: ACJet provided relatively low feed
4) No connections: flights arrived to late to hit many connections. Why would a pax fly Delta from LGW to LAX stopping in BOS witha 3 hour layover when they could fly LHR-LAX direct (and vice versa)
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1976 times:
Shame to see it go, but I guess DL had no choice. If DL were to ever get LHR authority, I think they'd bring this route back in a heartbeat. Even w/o LHR access, this route might come back in about 4 years after the new terminal is open and DL has more feed added in.
Billy From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1889 times:
This is the major problem with BOS from the UK. It is a very seasonal service. Flights are packed in the summer, but wide open in the winter. As BOS is no ones real hub, the majority are BOS o/d traffic, which is tough against the LHR competition.
Traffic from MAN to BOS is enormous, but they all want to fly from June to September.
Eugdog From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1858 times:
maybe Delta thought there was more profits in adding an Atlanta - London Gatwick flight then BOS-lgw. These airlines only have certain number of slots so an additional flight from Atlanta means something else has to go. Also BOS -LGW is grossly uncompetitive compared to BOS-LHR which all other airlines use!
: BOS LON has always been difficult to make money on, and many many airlines have come and gone from this route. DL joins NW and TW as US airlines havin
: Well, why didn't the folks at Delta see all this before they decided upon Gatwick as the launch city for BOS transatlantic service? All of the factors
: I don't think this is the end for Delta's translatlantic plans for BOS. Their new terminal which will be complete in 2005 will have its own immigratio
: Why dont they fly to CDG instead where they have the alliance with AF
: US carriers seem to rush to grab any unused traffic rights, irrespective of the logic or commercial viability (eg AA on LHR-PHL). They hope that opera
: Delta "does" fly to CDG from BOS, having the code share on Air France's twice daily Boston flights. The Paris market is also pretty full, with AF havi
: Delta tried the BOS-LGW route, so it did not work? I am just surprised as to how quickly they are dropping the route......and I found the timing odd,
: side note, i just flew LGW-BOS-MCO a week and a half ago and it was great, i hate pond crossings to the south because the flights are so long, i prefe
: I don't think that Delta's connection times at Boston were a problem, I think that BOS is just more of an O&D destination. An example. UA isn't the bi