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JetBlue - So Many Slots, So Little Time  
User currently onlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3826 posts, RR: 33
Posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

I know we've talked a lot recently about jetBlue's slots at LGB and how they're going to be able to use them all before their deadline of June 2003, but what about all the slot exemptions they haven't used yet at JFK?

And just to clarify things, jetBlue doesn't really have any slots at JFK. What they have is slot exemptions, which means they don't need to own a slot to be able to operate a flight during JFK's slot restricted time period of 1500 (3:00 pm) to 1959 (7:59 pm). It's basically the same thing as having slots, though.

First, I want to ask a question. What is the deadline for jetBlue at JFK to use up their 75 slot exemptions? When the government awarded them the slot exemptions, jetBlue was supposed to phase them all in within a three year period. So does that mean they all have to be used by February 11, 2003, or has the government relaxed the use-it-or-lose time period at JFK due to the events of September 11? I read somewhere that if jetBlue winds up forfeiting any of their slots because they couldn't use them in time, then they couldn't expand any more during the hours of 3:00 pm - 7:59 pm until 2007, when slots at JFK are eliminated.

Also, am I correct in assuming that an 8:00 pm arrival or departure does not constitute using one of their slots?

I picked a randon date (06/26/2002) and looked at what flights would operate that day. Based on jetBlue's operations at JFK between the hours of 3:00 pm and 7:59 pm, effective 06/26/2002, which includes new service already announced but not yet started, it looks like jetBlue will only be using 33 of it's 75 slot exemptions so far. This is what I show as the breakdown:

BUF - 1 arrival 3 departures 4 total

BTV - 1 arrival 1 departure 2 total

DEN - 0 arrivals 0 departures 0 total

FLL - 3 arrivals 2 departures 5 total

RSW - 0 arrival 0 departures total

LGB - 2 arrivals 2 deparures 4 total

MSY - 1 arrival departure 1 total

OAK - 1 arrival 1 departure 2 total

ONT - 0 arrivals 0 departures 0 total

MCO - 2 arrivals 1 departure 3 total

ROC - 1 arrival 3 departures 4 total

SLC - 0 arrivals 0 departure 1 total

SJU - 1 arrival 0 departures 1 total

SEA - 0 arrivals 0 departures 0 total

SYR - 1 arrival 1 departure 2 total

TPA - 1 arrival 2 departures 3 total

PBI - 1 departures 1 arrival 3 total

So by June 26, jetBlue would have 16 arrivals and 17 departures at JFK between 3:00 pm and 7:59 pm for a total of 33 slot exemptions used. They're more than 2/3 of the way through their three-year phase-in period, yet they haven't even used up half of their JFK slots. They'll also be using 6 of their 27 alloted slots at LGB by that time. (Keep in mind that a slot exemption at JFK refers to a take-off or a landing, while a slot at LGB refers to a take-off and a landing.

How is jetBlue going to use the remaining 42 slots at JFK by February 2003 and use up the remaining 21 slots at LGB by 2003? Mind you, I'm not saying they can't, I'm just trying to think of ways they could achieve this goal.

One thought I had would be to do some 1-stop transcons between LGB and JFK, like LGB-DEN-JFK or LGB-SLC-JFK. This would add new service (LGB-DEN and LGB-SLC), add an additional frequency in markets they already serve now (DEN-JFK and SLC-JFK) and add more 1-stop frequencies to the nonstops they already have now between LGB-JFK.

Another thought I had that would get rid of a bunch of slots at JFK would be to run a shuttle back and forth between IAD-JFK.

Or, if they announce ORD as new city, they could do a bunch of LGB-ORD-JFK. Seems like there would be a lot of demand for flights between the LA area & Chicago and New York and Chigaco, plus - those ae some more of UA's and AAs high-yield bread and butter routes where jtBlue should do well.

Maybe the next couple of new cities should be closer to JFK, like ORD, CVG, CLE, etc., so 1 plane could do multiple short to mid-haul turn-arounds and knock some of these slots out?

Any other ideas/thoughts/comments?

LoneStarMike

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User currently offlineFrequentflier From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

I can't wait for jetBlue to give AA, UA, DL, and US some needed competition on their shuttle/high frequency routes.

JFK-BOS
JFK-IAD
JFK-DCA (is this possible anymore?)
JFK-ORD
JFK-CLE
JFK-ATL
JFK-IAH
JFK-YUL
JFK-YVR

Just some possibilities!


User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

I, too, am worried about this "go slow" approach. I think they're going too slow here.

You stated in a previous thread that JetBlue stated they wanted to open 7-10 new cities each year. It has vastly dwindled since then. JetBlue has only announced 1 new destination this year and I don't forsee them announcing more than 4 or 5 this year.

Anyone know what deal is?

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Well Pilot113, if you expand too fast, alot of things can go wrong. Just ask Midway Airlines. I think that JetBlue wanted to open 7-10 new cities per year 9/11 has since changed all of that.

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User currently onlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3826 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

I'm not sure about JFK-YUL and JFK-YVR right now. I don't get the impression that jetBlue wants to go international just yet. Then again, they chose SJU, which isn't international, but you still have to go through some kind of agricultural screening there, don't you?. Or am I mixd up?

Hre's the list of the 44 cities jetBlue originally said they were considering starting service to, along with my comments on how they might work with JFK, keepig in mind that short-haul and mid-haul flights would be better at using up some of the JFK slot exemptions.

Akron/Canton, (good choice, fairly close to JFK, not competing with CO at CLE nor dealing with the CLE airport authority which can be a pain)

Atlanta, don't know about this one. JetBlue seems to be going after AA and to a lesser extent, UA right now. They probably shouldn't try to piss off too many airlines all at once.

Boston, Thought I read somewhere tha jetBlue was locked out of BOS due to insufficient gate space currently available

Buffalo, already there

Burlington (VT), already there

Charleston (SC), possible

Charleston (WV), Seems too small - maybe sometime down the road

Charlotte, Might want to wait and see what happens to US Airways.

Chicago, Slots ending July 1. JetBlue already serves NYC and LA aea - Chicago is a large market with traffic between the two.

Cincinnati, same as ATL - might not want to piss off DL

Cleveland, CO hub. CAK would be a better choice IMHO

Columbia (SC), not sure about this one

Columbus (OH), Good choice for at least a few flights to JFK, HP is mostly regional jet at CMH

Dallas, Uh... I think I might wAAit awhile, besides I don't there's much gate space there right now.

Dayton, Much better choice than CVG - doesn't directly compete with Delta, is a fairly short flight to JFK, and there are plenty of gates available.

Denver, already there

Flint, might be a good choice since DTW isn't on the list and they might be able to fly under NW's radar

Ft. Lauderdale, already there

Ft. Myers, already there

Greensboro, plenty of gates available and besides, it would make GSOflyer sooo happy  Smile

Greenville/Spartanburg, Nice airport with gate space available, close to AVL, and might be a better choice that CLT

Grand Rapids, don't know much about Grand Rapids other than the fact that it's metro area population is over a million, I think.

Houston, maybe, but I think I'd choose HOU over IAH. Jetblue seems to like the secondary airports when possible

Indianapolis, probably a good choice

Jacksonville, I think there is a gate shortage there right now.

Louisville, not sure about SDF

Memphis, not sure

Milwaukee, might be a good choice. MKE-JFK wouldn't be competing with AirTran

Minneapolis/St. Paul, I think I'd pass right now. NW can be vicious and again, you don't want to piss off all the majors all at once.

Nashville, Might be a good choice for flights to JFK & IAD, but I'm not sure they'd want to competewith WN to Florida, but maybe.

New Orleans, already thereNorfolk,

Good choice, I think. Fairly lose to JFK and Wahington DC in terms of flight times. Southwest could have BWI, ISP, jetBlue could take IAD, JFK,

Orlando, already there

Pittsburgh, I'd wait.

Portland (ME), Not sure

Raleigh/Durham, good for same reasons as ORF

Richmond, good for same reasons as ORF

Rochester (NY), already there

Salt Lake City, already there,

Savannah/Hilton Head, good choice, I think. Maybe some JFK-SAV and IAD-SAV could continue on to MSY. Is there a market between SAV-MSY? Seems like there would be. Both Southern cities loaded with antiques and dripping with charm. Maybe a flight to RIC, too?

Syracuse, already there

Tampa/St. Petersburg, already there

Washington, D.C., already there

West Palm Beach. already there

------------------------------------------------------Something else I find interesting about the 44 cities that jetblue was initially considering service to is that SEA, OAK, LGB, and SJUweren't on the original list, so I guess we can't rule out anything. If they do decide to go international, JFK-YUL would be a good choice since it's short-haul. I'd maybe save JFK-YVR for a few years down the road.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineBWIrwy4 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

JFK-IAD as a shuttle wouldn't work very well. Shuttles tend to carry a lot of business travellers, and their main draw is convenience, both in terms of frequency and access to the city to the airport. While there is a metro stop at DCA, there isn't one at IAD, and it is off in the hinterland, so it is not easy to get to the city from IAD. A shuttle would have to be JFK-DCA or maybe JFK-BWI would work. (BWI does have a train station with Amtrak and MARC serving DC. I don't know anything about travel times or frequency though.)

User currently onlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3826 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

OK, maybe not a shuttle, but at least some JFK-IAD flights? I thought I've heard mention of a Dulles High Tech Corridor before. I did search and found this site

http://dullestechnologycorridor.com/sys-tmpl/door/

I'm not familiar with the area, so I have to ask here exactly is this, in relation to IAD? If people had to conduct business there wouldn't IAD be closer to the area tha DCA?

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5111 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

The High Tech Corrider is much closer to IAD than DCA, the entire Norther Virginia economy is booming and IAD is benefitting from it.


Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

Just to clear things up Grand Rapids, MI (GRR), isn't that big. The metro area is about 600,000 people. Not a million.

User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

An IAD-JFK service would make sense from the Washington end because Fairfax County (where Dulles Airport is partially located) is the center of employment in the Washington, DC area. Even if the shuttle idea to New York was not doable, the connection possibilities are endless. And IAD is not off in the "hinterlands"--it's located in the center of population growth in Northern Virginia, and only about 25 minutes to downtown via the Dulles Access Road and I-66.

Also, the Grand Rapids MSA is 1,052,092, as of 1999.


User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3183 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Just to add some comments, made by Lonestarmike,

Charlotte, Might want to wait and see what happens to US Airways.
Wouldn't you want to go after them if they are weak.

Columbus (OH), Good choice for at least a few flights to JFK, HP is mostly regional jet at CMH
Another weak carrier. Go after them.

Chicago, Slots ending July 1. JetBlue already serves NYC and LA aea - Chicago is a large market with traffic between the two.
Is Midway a possiblility, if Jetblue have LGB, ORD, JFK service this is can to really bite UA, & AA I don't think they would be to pleased, is ther any space at Midway, as Southwest isn't serving JFK and not likely to.


Dayton, Much better choice than CVG - doesn't directly compete with Delta, is a fairly short flight to JFK, and there are plenty of gates available
Don't think is big enough on its own, jetblue seems to go after routes that the majors are making good money on, even Southwest hasn't turned up yet. Maybe another Comair strike might change someones mind.


Indianapolis, probably a good choice, ,
Is the market really there but could be good as Southwest doesn't fly to JFK.

Minneapolis/St. Paul, I think I'd pass right now. NW can be vicious and again, you don't want to piss off all the majors all at once.
Suncountry have re started with some leisure routes, This would be a good choice if SunCountry had ever flown to New York(not on new schedule) and provide connections to Florida.

Nashville, Might be a good choice for flights to JFK & IAD, but I'm not sure they'd want to competewith WN to Florida, but maybe.
Getting flights to New York is the aim of jetblue shuttling by JFK wouldn't see the point of that.

Pittsburgh, I'd wait.
Well Airtran didn't work but would Pittsburgh people maybe consider a higher class of airline in jetblue,(not trying to upset airtran followers here.) If US ever shrinks I can't see anyone picking up Pittsburgh, they should be getting a name for themselves.


Wheres DCA-ROC guy he normally has something to add in these kind of threads.






Why fly non stop when you can connect
User currently onlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3826 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1463 times:

Posted by BNE

Just to add some comments, made by Lonestarmike,

Charlotte, Might want to wait and see what happens to US Airways.

Wouldn't you want to go after them if they are weak.

Ordinarily, I'd say go for it, but it seems that for right now, jetBlue has chosen to take on AA and to a lesser extent, UA. As far as AA goes, that might be a tough battle and I think I'd want to concentrate all my resources on battling them and UA rather than spreading those resources around and trying to flight every other major at once.

US Airways is pretty big up and down the east coast and I think they'd at least try to fight back pretty hard. Southwest has been pretty successful in picking one airline in the Northeast (US Airways) and going after them - might as well let them finish what they started. (No offense to the US Airways fans out there.)

This might sound weird but I'm almost thinking the low-fare carriers should work together against the Cartel, as DCA-ROC refers to them, rather than competing with each other.

So you have Southwest taking on US Airways at BWI and HP at PHX & LAS, Airtran working on Delta at ATL, Frontier nibbling away at UA in DEN, etc. If jetBlue wants to try to nibble away at AA and UA then that's where they need to concentrate most of their energies.

Columbus (OH), Good choice for at least a few flights to JFK, HP is mostly regional jet at CMH

Another weak carrier. Go after them.

I think America West's strength at CMH is mostly to the west. I think jetBlue could could co-exist pretty peacefully with HP at CMH if they concentrate on flights to the east like JFK and IAD. For now, I see DMH for jetblue like ROC, SYR, and BUF are to them right now. A spoke city into JFK, with maybe some flights to IAD, too.

Chicago, Slots ending July 1. JetBlue already serves NYC and LA aea - Chicago is a large market with traffic between the two.

Is Midway a possiblility, if Jetblue have LGB, ORD, JFK service this is can to really bite UA, & AA I don't think they would be to pleased, is ther any space at Midway, as Southwest isn't serving JFK and not likely to.

I think you've it the nail on the head when you ask about the space issue at MDW. Right now, I don't thnink there is any with respect to gates. I think the only reason Southwest has been abe to recently expand operations at MDW is because they used to share some of their gates with ATA and now that ATA has moved into its new gates, that freed up a little more space for Southwest.

If MDW had the gates, I'd say definitely! JetBlu has already proven that they prefer operating out of the secondary airports. They chose OAK over SFO, JFK over LGA and EWR, LGB and ONT instead of LAX, FLL instead of MIA, etc. unfortunately there's just no roo at the inn right now at MDW.

The only thing I worry about as far as jetBlue at ORD is congestion, and how AA and UA might use that to their advantage to try to diminish jetBlue's on-time performance.

Back in the late 70's early 80's when Braniff was having problems, Braniff had their terminal on the west side of DFW, while AA had theirs on the east side, yet a lot of AA flights would request to take off on the west runways, even though it meant taxiing farther, just to try to delay Braniff.

I could see AA/UA trying to pull the same stunt at ORD by taxiing reeal slow, just to delay jetBlue. or by not exiting the active runway in a timely manner forcing an incoming jetBlue flight to go around, wasting more fuel. This was also a tactic that AA used at DFW. If jetBlue wants to serve the Chigaco area, though, I guess that's the risk they'll have to take.

. Dayton, Much better choice than CVG - doesn't directly compete with Delta, is a fairly short flight to JFK, and there are plenty of gates available

Don't think is big enough on its own, jetblue seems to go after routes that the majors are making good money on, even Southwest hasn't turned up yet. Maybe another Comair strike might change someones mind.

I tend to disagree with you there. Dayton's MSA population is just under 1 milion and Piedmont had a pretty successful hub there in the 80's. which US Airways took over after they bought Piedmont, before finally abandoning it.

Also, CO has a few mainline flights to EWR, and Delta serves LGA with a few regional jets, but no one serves JFK from there. If the price were low enough, I think jetBlue could stimulate more demand on this market much like Southwest does when it enters a market. IAD might also work - very limited regional jet service to the Washington D.C. area and it's not nonstop. DAY also has no nonstop service to Florida. I think DAY would be perfect for etBlue and could possible draw additional traffic from Delta's CVG forress if the price was right.

Indianapolis, probably a good choice,

Is the market really there but could be good as Southwest doesn't fly to JFK.

I don't really know too much about IND, so if jetBlue did go there, I'd just start with a couple of JFK flights.

Minneapolis/St. Paul, I think I'd pass right now. NW can be vicious and again, you don't want to piss off all the majors all at once.

Suncountry have re started with some leisure routes, This would be a good choice if SunCountry had ever flown to New York (not on new schedule) and provide connections to Florida.

I don't know too much about MSP, either, but if jetBlue is going to take on AA I certainly wouldn't be trying to take on Northwest at the same time, especially at one of their major hubs in a city where they have their headquarters.

Pittsburgh, I'd wait.

Well Airtran didn't work but would Pittsburgh people maybe consider a higher class of airline in jetblue, (not trying to upset airtran followers here.) If US ever shrinks I can't see anyone picking up Pittsburgh, they should be getting a name for themselves.

I think PIT didn't work for AirTran simply bcause the area residents would rather fly US Airways and get the frequent flyer miles. I don't see how jetBlue would be any different.

N509JB is management at all concerned that they've utilized less than half of the available JFK slot exemptions, while they're already over two years into the three-year phase-in period? Also, I thought I saw mentioned on another board that the three-year phase-in period might have been relaxed a little bit due to the events of September 11th and the airlines having to retrench right now. Do you know anything about that?

As far as wildcard cities go, I think one place jetBlue could do well is AUS. We have no nonstop service to SEA, no nonstop service to MSY, no nonstop service to OAK, and no nonstop service to FLL and only 1nonstop eachd day to MCOand TPA by Southwest. JetBlue would have an advantage over Southwest on AUS-FLL because jetBlue's aircrat are certified to fly straight across the gulf, while Southwest has to hug the coastline.

Also, AA has a monopoly on the AUS-SJC service (3 flights, a day, I think) and they are alwys packed with biz types who no doubt ay a pretty penny to fly AA on this route. We also have one vacant gate left that's never been used since the airport opened.

Oh yoooo-hoooo! JJetBlue!  Smile

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineCx889 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 49 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1439 times:

After reading this post, I get the impression that jetBlue has the potential to do well financially, and will be around for a while. If it requires slow expansion to assure financial health, then they must be doing something right.

I am thinking of buying their IPO stock through my financial advisor, Morgan Stanley. I need airliners.net's help: are they going to do well???:D

All those out there who know jetBlue well, please let me know. Thanks a ton in advance!


User currently offlineN509JB From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

I am not a liberty to discuss any details of our IPO at this time  Big grin

B


User currently offlineJonPaulGeoRngo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

As for the IPO info, here's just one link from today's Yahoo News...many others exist
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/yhoo/story.asp?source=blq/yhoo&siteid=yhoo&dist=yhoo&guid=%7BE321B89B%2DE882%2D456D%2D9604%2DD6CEF619BC35%7D

IMHO, Wall Street will not reward JBLU and its lofty $22+ targeted IPO price if they go "gung ho" recklessly adding cities to their network.


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

PSU.DTW.SCE, Grand Rapid's metro is over 1M. Closer to 1,1M, I believe. As for expansion...I'm anxiously awaiting my FLL-LGB flights. Any word on those?


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User currently offlineRyefly From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

As for the North Carolina airports.

CLT would work mainly because US Airways does not offer a non stop flight from CLT to JFK. They offer plenty to LGA and EWR however. If Jet Blue came in, I think it would do great. US Airways wouldn't mess with them for this flight unless they decided to expand to other destinations from CLT.

GSO would work also. Actually they could really build up here if they wanted to. This goes for any airline that wants it.

RDU would be great but would not work currently. They will have to wait for gates to become available which will take some time, or share a gate or two with another airline. Sunworld Airlines has tried three times so far to get a slot and gate at RDU recently but has been turned down everytime.


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1339 times:

I need to second what Mah4546 said: I'm going to be first in line as soon as B6 starts LGB-FLL. When's it going to happen? I think JetBlue should concentrate on adding routes to existing cities, rather than adding new cities. Let's connect the dots with LGB-FLL, LGB-DEN, DEN-FLL, etc.

(and according to the 2000 US Census, the population of the Grand Rapids-Muskegon-Holland Metropolitan area is 1,088,514.)


User currently offline777D From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

I would love to see JB add new cities or add service to existing markets, such as SEA-LGB, SEA-FLL and etc, but where is the equipment?

Even if they had the equipment, the advertising costs, fuel, employee training, hiring, and etc would take time.

Does Jetblue have 320s coming in weekly?

Any information would be helpful, thanks

Where is DCA-ROC with his commentaries about the Cartel? I do enjoy them tremendously!! Very informative!!

777D


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

MAH4546-
Grand Rapids, MI, itself really isn't very big at all. Its a small downtown area with many new "suburbs". In fact, most of what is considered Grand Rapids is just some suburbs. What they consider the Metro Area to be is a three county area around Grand Rapids..CC data has that estimated around 600,000. However, Grand Rapids is really the only somewhat major airport on the west side of the state. Lansing(LAN), K-zoo (AZO), Muskegon (MKG), and other airports are rather small, with limited service to either ORD or DTW. GRR draws pax from a huge area, thats probably where you're getting the 1M number from. Those places are all outside what would be considered the Metro area, if thats what you want to call it. People will come from well over 100 miles away simply because its the only place around. Just off the top of my head, GRR has service to DTW, MSP, MEM, ORD, DFW, STL, CLE, LGA, CVG, ATL. I may have forgotten some. I could see JB here, but not immediately. They've got more important markets to serve first. I would think you'd see them in FNT on the east side of the state before GRR.


User currently offlineOflove13 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

I think they should try some out of ISP. yes islip look what southwest did they came in with just a few flights and now they are going to be building more gates to help them keep up. ISP to FLL or MCO or any where else they fly i tell you if your prices are right u will do great out here on LI.
Spirt was doing well until there station manager embezzled alot of money. US Air well they were just charging to much. Southwest is loving it there, and now since Jet Blue can openly compete and go after southwest i think it will be a good idea.
What about JB flying JFK to LAS. JFK-DFW JFK- IAH


User currently offlineFrequentflier From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

I don't think ISP is a great idea.

Delta Express and especially Southwest hold a major monopoly there, and, anyway, it's way too close to JFK (under an hour).

JFK-LAS is a great idea.

By the way, who ever got the idea that FLL is jetBlue's next hub?


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

I don't think ISP is a great idea.
Delta Express and especially Southwest hold a major monopoly there, and, anyway, it's way too close to JFK (under an hour).


ISP's geographical proximity to JFK means less than you might think. There are probably 1.5 million people who live (or work) closer to ISP than to JFK. Many of them certainly would prefer the convenience of ISP.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

I have heard IND floated around before and I certainly think there is a market for IND-JFK. Everything to the NYC area right now out of IND is by RJ and its US Airways Express or Delta Connection (AC Jet).

Any more on the rumors that they were looking at BLV (Belleville, ILL--MidAmerica/St. Louis). It seems like they are picking a fight with AA, here you go guys, just 20 miles the other side of the river from Lambert and AA's St. Louis "hub" (we will see if that remains true or not).


User currently offlineN757tw From United States of America, joined May 2000, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

Concerning Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW)

First any attempt to start service into DFW, will prompt American to take action, especially JFK-DFW, maybe not so much LGB-DFW.
On the subject of gate space, it is available, they could lease one or two of ATA's (old TW) B23,24,25 (i think). Also, Delta might want to let another airline into terminal E, in the past couple of years, several airlines have moved in(Air Tran, Northwest, Vanguard). Plus in 2-3 years the new international terminal will be complete, allowing for the 3 intl' gates in terminal B to be vacated.

I would love to see jetBlue service in DFW, it beats spotting AA MD-80's anyday.

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25 Post contains images LoneStarMike : DFW - LOL, do you think we're crazy?So should we interpret that answer as in no, not in the conceivable future, or no as in never?The only reason I as
26 Post contains links and images FATFlyer : PSU.DTW.SCE, Travelin Man is correct about the 1.1 figure from the census bureau for the Metropolitan Statistical Area. OK, precisely it is 1,088,514
27 JayDavis : Good points LoneStarMike !! I did notice that once Jet Blue started service from JFK to MSY, DL once again started service between the two cities. Wha
28 Post contains images 727LOVER : SRQ!SRQ! SRQ!--There's no competion, we have a good market,and our #1 destination in terms of # of pax is New York! Lone Star Mike:that AA/BN stuff,I'
29 FlyCMH : Concerning jetBlue to Columbus, I think they would do well here for several reasons: 1. There are no nonstop flights between CMH and JFK. 2. Come this
30 Mah4546 : Frequentflier, jetBlue has made no secrets that they do plan on making FLL more than just 10 dailies to JFK (and they also have now the two dailies to
31 CcrlR : I think that they should try MDW cause not that many airlines have a lot of service from Chicago go to JFK. Comair is the only one(out of ORD) also an
32 Klwright69 : I know this is off the subject, but is Jet Blue a publicly-held company? Can one buy their stock?
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