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User currently offlineKuba74 From Poland, joined Mar 2000, 432 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

What is the policy of world`s major airlines considered as "national carriers" in hiring foreign pilots? I suppose there are some EU regulations that forbid this sort of discrimination but I`m not quite sure. Is this the part of nation`s pride to employ only native pilots?

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User currently offlineIce Cream Man From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

EU and US regulations I might add. And Australian, Brasilian, Chinese etc etc etc.

Not that it's impossible - a European airline will happily take on anybody who is from te European Union (provide he/she is qualified for the job).

Another hurdle is licencing; even if an American would have te right to work in Europe, he/she would not get a job as long as that person would have no European license.

User currently offlineTNboy From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 1131 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

A lot of Asian airlines, for example, have British, Australian and New Zealand crews, among others. SQ has crews from a number of nationalities. Following the pilots strike in Australia some years ago, the flight crew announcements started coming over in European and American accents, and still did, on Ansett anyway, until very recently. Air Pacific used QF crerws until local crews took over, etc., etc.
I think most national carriers would probably like to employ predominantly local crews, but, depending on the size of the airline, it's not often a realistic proposition, at least in the short term. I imagine it's not an issue in countries such as the USA, Britain, etc.?

"...every aircraft is subtly different.."
User currently offlinePolair From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

In US you need a green card and american license. an fluent english of course. Same with Canada.

I dont really know how is it in Europe, but i am quite sure they all hire only native pilots.

CX used to hire foreigners, but not anymore.
Emirates is the only major airline that hires foreign pilots ( as far as I know), but that may change soon too.

User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3222 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

I have heard BA longhaul pilots with American and Australian accents.

Emirates has mostly foreign pilots.

I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineGRZ-AIR From Austria, joined Apr 2001, 574 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

As long as you are a nationality of a country which is member in the EU - you can apply for an airline in the EU. For example , I am austrian and could apply for Lufthansa.

When I joined A.net it was still free, haha ;).
User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

On my flights with SQ, the pilots mostly had a british accent but I´ve seen asian people in their cockpits as well.
I know that there are a couple of foreign pilots flying for Lufthansa City Line and I´m sure that, like GRZ-AIR already mentioned, there is no reason why an austrian or dutch pilot wouldn´t be able to get hired by BA, LH or AF.


User currently offlineParra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

In the United States it is illegal to discriminate unfairly because of nationality. I believe this is also the case in most democratized nations.

User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

Many European carriers have pilots from all over the world, provided that their license is valid in the respective home country of the airline. Our company has people from many places in Europe, but also from the USA or South Africa for example. There is normally no such thing that for example a Lufthansa pilot must be German, I guess however that it is a prerequesite to speak the national language.

User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Gulfstream has a great many foreigners from countries where there is not much emphasis placed on bathing and hygiene.

User currently offlineKAL_LM From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 497 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Due to the issues KE had, they have a sizable ex-pat contingent as well. But I think it is decreasing as more civilian trained Korean pilots come on-line.

It seemed to me like KE kept the foreigners on the cargo flights and out of the public's eye...anyone else notice that with them or other national carriers using foreign crews?


is that a light at the end of the tunnel or just a train?
User currently offlineHawkeye2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

JAL started with aircraft and flight crew from Pan Am. Even now, you occasionally see American or other Western tech crew on JAL flights.

The 4 times I've flown SQ, the captain has ALWAYS been British or Australian, or sure sounded like one on the PA!

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

I think the US' first black pilot actually started his career flying for EL AL in the 1950s.


User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Well all CX captain is Foreginer.

Live life to max!!!
User currently offlineParra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Also remember that many people from the former colonies of the United Kingdom may sound British especially to American ears. I'm British and live in the USA and I get asked at least three times a day "What part of Australia are you from?". Listening to a pilots accent on the PA is not necessarily an indicator of nationality.

User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

When their first 777s were delivered, Cathays 777 fleet manager was a Kiwi.
Parra, I can relate to that.
I'm a New Zealander and because of my complexion, I've been mistaken for a Puerto Rican in Honolulu, and due to my accent, for a Brit there as well (although my father comes from Manchester).  Smile

User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Parra- it's got nothing to do with discrimination and all to do with work permits. You just can't rock up to another country and expect to live there if you are not a citizen of that country (exceptions: Australia and New Zealand, the EU). However, if an airline has a shortage of pilots and needs to sponsor foreigners, then that's a different matter.

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