Planeawesome From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 103 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6630 times:
There was an article in the Montreal Gazette today stating that Michel LeBlanc's start-up is to be entitled "JetsGo". It's supposed to operate 3 MD-83s and begin in May.
Evidently they're hiring F/A's and pilots between now and May 1.
No mention of routes.
I hope we finally get some choice on YYZ-YUL. There just has to be competition on a route with in excess of 1 million passengers per year.
Go "JetsGo" go. Sounds like an old Winnipeg hockey team slogan.
C-GRYK From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 751 posts, RR: 41 Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6298 times:
Another pretty pathetic name imho... Have they run out of more standardized names already?!?!? Tango/Jazz/Zip and now LeBlanc will use "JetsGo"... whatever, best of luck to him.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15990 posts, RR: 59 Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6175 times:
The shorthaul YYZ-YUL et al routes are the death-knell for carriers.
Maybe Royal II should focus on charters.
With the McDonnell Douglas apparatuses -83 of course. The -83 has higher range and weights and is best suited or 2-3 hour flights. If they plan on YYZ-YUL, they could get some cheaper and lighter -81's.
Here a trivia Q: which US airline flew YYZ-YUL in the early 90's? (no local traffic of course). Winner gets......a future favour or something.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Slawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6157 times:
They may likely use the small MD's later on if the company does well..but I think that it would cost way too much to certifiy those airplanes for a low cost startup...they must be tight on cash, they are even asking pilots for money!
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
AWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6112 times:
JetsGo??? Sounds like they're making fun of somebody's accent. Anyone ever watched "That 70s Show" ?
Does some one, or, some group actually get paid to think up this crrrrrrap?! Well, i suppose it could have been worse - He could have called it Waltz, or Buzz
Slawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6103 times:
It sounds as though ML came up with the name in french first, and the put it through one of those on line translation programs to get the english version...The two words just dont go together well in that order....Maybe AIr Orange can come up with something imaginative to make up for the lack of a good name....
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4930 posts, RR: 53 Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6081 times:
How could YYZ-YUL be a death knell. If anything, its murder than AC has the route all too itself. Do you know of any other route of 1,000,000 pax and more that has NO COMPETITION? I certainly know of absolutely none!
Canada 3000 had 8 flights daily on the route, and did very well. There is no doubt in my mind that 3 or 4 flights a day with MD83 will be very succesful for Royal. If westjet starts YHU-YHM, they will suceed also, because its such a big route.. and its relatively inexpensive to fly, yet so expensive to get a ticket!
Mark
25 Yyz717: C3 did well on YYZ-YUL? Really? How do you know? That route specific info is proprietary. My understanding is that C3 lost bundles on all former CJ ro
26 Cap'n Dan: The problem with new carriers entering the YYZ-YUL market is that they just can't compete with AC's frequencies. That route is almost completely busin
27 Noise: Well, Michel said this is supposed to be an EASTERN discount airline, so weather you like it or not, you're probably going to see YYZ-YUL, or YUL-YHZ
28 FLYYUL: I cant tell you for sure Neil, but full flights usually mean something, especially on a short hop like that. WJ never said it wasnt interested in YUL-
29 Slawko: Full flights dont mean a thing, C3's average break even point was an 85% full A320... No one has ever been able to make any good money on the "rapidai
30 Yyzcabincrew: FlyYul is correct that QN/C3 was doing very well in the triangle run....it was said that the B737 were bringing in close to a mil every week or was it
31 FLYYUL: The average load on YUL-YYZ with 2T was about that, or even more..
32 Yyz717: WJ is not interested in YYZ-YUL. Thanks YYZCC....I forgot about Astoria/Vistajet. Anyone with less than hourly flights on YYZ-YUL, will have a hard ti
35 Noise: Ok, I see what you guys are getting at, but why YUL-YYZ? I'm sure JetGo will fly other routes like YHZ and YYT, or YOW. What do you think the other r
36 Yyz717: Well, it sounds like JetsGo will be emulating the CJ network, with flights betw YYZ/YUL/YOW/YHZ and perhaps YYT. I think the MD-83 is rather large for
37 Planeawesome: The charter gap that was left by Canada 3000's collapse has to a large degree been filled (Skyservice,Air Columbus,JMC and a couple of other possibili
38 Captaingomes: Planeawesome, I do agree with you totally. But I also think that on the weekends, it would be wise to do some charters to Cuba, Mexico, or whatever. I
39 Yyz717: I don't disagree with you Planeawesome. Perhaps the key will be adequate financing/capitalization. WJ was very well capitalized before it even flew...
40 Noise: Any one worried that the JetsGo can fall victim to WJ's and Tango fast expansion in the east? Do they stand a chance against AC on major routes? If t
41 Yyz717: You're right Noise, a new airline is a risky venture. The key is effective capitalization. Hopefully Michel Leblanc is lining this up. I'm surprized t
42 FLYYUL: That's not entirely correct Neil. Let me tell you, its not a game of politics here. Its who offers the best route, and the best fare. Thats all that p
43 Noise: I guess CP was considered an "english airline"(although I don't see why, and I don't see how english is bad), but it is missed very much now. We just
44 Yyz717: Ya, perhaps CP did no route/market devt in Quebec. Actually, AC had a hard time gaining market share in Western Canada since that was the home turf of
45 Lymanm: Uh, oh, this seems to be getting back towards the english-french debate... I'm wondering however, is the MD-83 an appropriate startup aircraft? I don'
46 Yyz717: The MD-83 is also not certified in Canada (although Slawko said it was, maybe I'm wrong). So Royal may need to pay for cert. So the MD-83 is a bit of
47 FLYYUL: ... the MD80 family is quite efficient. It is the backbone of DL and AA's fleet. I think in terms of unit costs, its gotta be better than the gas guzz
48 Slawko: Getting pilots is not at issue, as all of the pilots are former ROYAL 1 pilots...and they are starting their training which would be the case even if
49 Yyz717: Actually Mark, unit costs on the MD-80 can be cheaper than the 732 (even with current fuel prices) if loads are high and lease costs are low. 732 mx c
50 Lasbagman: I used to work for CP in the states and I flew several times YYZ/HNL on CP 767. We had French Canadian FA. CP was far from a "english airline". Cp alt
51 Yyz717: I remember a CP CEO (Benson, or Jenkins) stating that they had poor market share in PQ due to their 'English' perception. But I also recall Milton sta
52 Lymanm: Slawko - correct, they will all start training but having zero candidates with MD type ratings will lengthen (read $$$) the course. Why do you think S
53 Noise: I think CP was just as popular as AC in Montreal(at least for me it was). CP's name is made bilingual, what do you think the < is there for? Canadi
54 Noise: OK, what the hell happened to the rest of my post? All disappered after the Canadi What the..... Any way, I'll continue It can be either Canadian or C
55 Noise: Back to JetsGo, what to you think the livery will look like?
56 FLYYUL: That;s just a reason... its a way of defending your ass when you just get beat, and I dont buy it. Using his same logic, why would people fly Canada 3
57 Yyz717: Mark, I don't disagree with you. These were public excuses by the CEO's of AC and CP for their poor respective market share in each other's turf. Airl
58 FLYYUL: I know, but I just hate when ppl make it a language/cultural clash... keep that crap out of the field, because its really a non-factor... Just help to
59 Yyz717: Then tell Milty....he lives in your 'hood (by govt order).
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