Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Small Plane Crash At SLC.  
User currently offlineJ.mo From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 663 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

I realize this is more for Commercial planes in general but I thought some people might be interested.
It happened within the last half hour. From what I heard it was a small 4 place Beech. His engine quit on takeoff and he tried to make "the impossible turn" back to the airport. I tried to make it out there to see anything, but it is now too dark. There are still rescue crews on scene. The news is also there. I will follow up if I find anything out.

Jeremy


What is the difference between Fighter pilots and God? God never thought he was a fighter pilot.
9 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineUAL1837 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

It may not seem like the best decision, but if your engine quits and you are "doubtful" about turning around to make the airport again...you should just land straight ahead. If there are trees, aim the nose between them and let the wings take the force of the trees. If you're under 500 feet when your engine quits...forget the airport.

User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Its a good idea to practice this one at a safe altitude; mostly, what you can learn is how much altitude it really takes to make a dead-stick 180. I don't think 500 feet will cut it. More like 1,000 feet plus for even a 172. All you have to do is find a safe practice area and take along another set of eyeballs to watch for traffic, do some clearing turns, set up departure configuration, power and speed and cut the power back to idle. The procedure now is to do a safe 180 around to a reciprocal heading and note the altitude loss. The loss is much greater than a straight-ahead descent because you are spending so much time banked. No widow-maker 60 degree banks, please.

User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

In a situation like that, where you are taking off, and going straight out, there's no way you will make it back to the airport, assuming you'd have to turn 180 degrees back. Look for a field to put her down, and hope for the best. I'm sure this pilot learned in training never to turn back to the airport, but unfortunately, he/she didn't understand why. It's sad something like this had to happen.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offline747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

UAL1837 said "you should land straight ahead". There isn't any reason not to turn at least 45 degrees either direction if that better suits your emergency landing needs. Agreed, though, that pulling a 180 would be unlikely.


"Mental health is reality at all cost." -- M. Scott Peck, 'The Road Less Traveled'
User currently offlineBWIrwy4 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

The Beech Musketeer had two people on board, a student pilot and the instructor. They landed in the grass, probably on the airport premesis, and they both survived uninjured. The plane suffered no damage.

User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1959 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Good news about the outcome of this incident. Engine failure on inital climbout is the first type of emergency op I was taught.......I put the airplane down straight ahead unless I am above 1000 ft AGL. The only exception for me might be if there's a huge mountain straight ahead, if the departure runway is exceptionally long, etc.

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Just to add to the earlier comments. With a turn back to the runway, it is actually more than 180. You must continue past 180 to head back towards the runway, then turn back again to line up with the runway. Makes it closer to 270 degrees worth of turning...doesn't help at all in that situation.

User currently offlineJ.mo From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

It did end up well. Thanks BWIrwy4. I did not hear any more and my shift was ending.

I was also taught never to try and make it back. Departing north at SLC there is really nothing out there to make turning back a priority, but I was not in the cockpit. I am just glad everything turned out alright.

Jeremy



What is the difference between Fighter pilots and God? God never thought he was a fighter pilot.
User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

I see a lot of comments on here about "never" turning back. What if you had 1,000' of altitude? How about 1,500' or 1,700'? What type of airplane is it? As I urged in my prevous post, you must experiment and find out what the minimum safe altitude for a dead-stick 180 is and, no, turning back to the exact departure runway is not necessary. There are lots of safe places to land a 172 on an airport besides the runway you just left. The potential for this to happen is an argument against the too-frequent intersection takeoffs that we all do. The safest place to dead-stick a 172 is on the remaining 5,000' of the 7,000' runway that lies straight ahead.

Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Small Plane Crash At YTZ posted Thu Aug 24 2006 22:30:38 by Rattibone
Small Plane Crash At YOO: Oshawa posted Sat Jun 25 2005 21:04:47 by YooYoo
Small Plane Crash At Khio posted Wed May 25 2005 03:34:08 by TwinCommander
Small Plane Crash At FLL; Blocks 9L/27R & 13/31... posted Thu Jan 27 2005 02:02:18 by USAFHummer
Small Plane Crash At BED Today posted Thu Apr 29 2004 01:32:50 by Airshowdawg
Small Plane Crash At FLL posted Fri Apr 20 2001 01:27:09 by AC320
Small Plane Crash @ CAK posted Tue Nov 14 2006 23:32:52 by CO7e7
Small Plane Crash Near Bloomington Indiana posted Fri Apr 21 2006 13:30:54 by RoseFlyer
Strange Plane (thing) At SLC posted Wed Apr 5 2006 04:49:24 by Jmr0991
Small Plane Crash In Greenfield, CA. posted Wed Mar 22 2006 08:05:05 by Silver1SWA