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User currently offlineYyzcabincrew From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2002, 101 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

Canada Air set to fly
Charter operator plans launch of carrier catering to ethnic groups

NICOLAS VAN PRAET
Montreal Gazette

Saturday, April 13, 2002
On May 10, during an inaugural flight for Quebec's business and political elite embellished by the presence of Miss Global beauty-pageant queens - colourful Montreal businessman Steve Nasra plans to launch his dream: to provide cheap flights to Montreal's ethnic communities.
Nasra, a charter operator and travel-agency owner who has for years offered airline service from Montreal to Port-au-Prince for the city's Haitian population, with his company, Multivoyages-Haiti Air Charter, said he is ready to launch a new carrier called Canada Air Charter. The airline would target specific cultural communities in the city as well as business travelers, offering them cut-rate ticket prices, free booze and fancy meals. It plans to fly to Rome, Tunis, Lisbon, Madrid, Dakar and Abidjan, as well as to cities in Guatemala, El Salvador, Ecuador and Peru.
Nasra admitted it's an ambitious plan, but said he's got the key to airline success: a proven track record in knowing how to price tickets -and a captive market.
"The thing about ethnic communities and business people is this: good economy or bad economy, they have to fly," he said in an interview.
"People from Haiti or Tunisia or Italy, they have to go back to where they come from every once in a while. And businessmen, they have to do business."
Nasra said he has wooed former executives from well-known carriers Iberia and Alitalia to work for him.
Aéroports de Montréal, which runs the city's two airports, confirms it has
received a request from Nasra to operate an airline from Mirabel.
Nasra, 53, has no shortage of critics and fans. Everybody who knows him seems to have an opinion on the man who has a black belt in tae kwon do and flies fighter jets. He constantly refers to himself as a scrapper. He likes to punctuate the end of his sentences with "you understand?"
But it's his plans and not his character that is generating the buzz. The airline would fly with one leased DC10-15 and one DC10-30 to start. An Airbus 310-300 would serve as a backup jet. Nasra would rent out the planes in turn to groups who need them for their own charters. He provided documents showing he's lined up $73 million in contracts from clients. And he claims to have deposits for 4,000 bookings of his own so far. The businessman would not say how much money he has secured to finance his operation. But he said he has no outside investors. André Arcelin, a physician and a leader in Montreal's Haitian community, has flown on Haiti Air Charter, and said Nasra's new venture would provide a much-needed service for the cities' cultural communities. He said Air Canada is not the first choice for many Haitians because it is too expensive. "It's clear that if he has good prices, the people will come. If it works for Haiti, it's got to work for other communities just as attached to their home countries."
But the plan is not without its pitfalls, warned George Hamlin, vice-president of Global Aviation Associates, a Washington-based consulting firm that provides financial-advisory services to commercial-aviation companies. Hamlin said there have been several proposals by U.S. businessmen to start airlines targeting ethnic communities. Only one, Tower Air, had some modest success, he said. "This all revolves around an ability to count. In other words, can you find enough people to fill up one of these large airplanes on a fairly regular basis? There's a big risk here."
Nasra also has a long-term plan for a luxury regularly scheduled airline called
Canada World.


25 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

There was a similar proposal quite a few years ago called Air Luso (Some called it Air Loser), targetting "ethnic" charters, and especially for the route Toronto to Lisbon. It was to be operated by a 747. I do believe they got the aircraft, things were looking good, but they never operated, or if they did, they operated one or two flights. It ended up being a big mess from what I remember!

However, I do not know much about this instance, as I was quite young, and there isn't any literature available on the matter as far as I know.

I have serious doubts of Canada Air Charter working out, as he seems to be targeting the lower end of the market, but with roomy aircraft with lots of service. How is this a money making venture? Hopefully he can prove us wrong, and it will improve service in Canada. But I have many doubts of that happening.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Welcome to the forums yyzcabincrew!

Sorry I don't mean to change the topic, but what airline do you work for?

Regards Smile



Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineYyzcabincrew From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2002, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2435 times:

Luso Canadian Airlines (changed to Air Luso) did try and do the same as Canada Air Charter however Mr. Silva went about it the wrong way. He bought an old beat up B747-100 off the desert as it was but never thought about the cost of gettng it airworthy, instead all of his $$$ went into the uniforms / China / anything to do with aperance.

I was to operate the first flight that was to be on Dec9 out of T1 to LIS with a full B747-100, till this day crew and pax have yet to see a plane with Air Luso colours...we were shiped several times from our headquarters on College st to the airport as we were told the a/c was on its way and we had to do our hands on before operating the flight.

If you walk by Imperio Travel (who is the same owner as Air Luso) to this day he still has a B747-100 on his window along with a Dc10 (wich was to join the fleet in May to operate charter flights south).

some of the crew has yet to be paid for the training and if i recall some payed hotels and other expenses out of their own pocket as they were told that they would get reembursed.

Luso Canadian Airlines never did operate a single flight.


User currently offlineRootsgirl From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2425 times:

Hello Marco,

I think you and Rootsboy do a lot of flights together. YYZccrew, I truly hope that your posting is a "sign" that you will soon be back in the air. Regards!


User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2407 times:

Hello and Welcome Yyzcabincrew!

You an F/A? Welcome to the gang. Thanks for the news and all the best  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Me, I'm off for F/A training tomorrow in Dorval for AC. Seven gruelling weeks I hear. See you in YYZ

Regards,

Grégoire


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2393 times:

Thanks for that info! Who do/did you work for yyzcabincrew? I knew it had something to do with Imperio Travel on College, but knew little else. You guys protested in front of the agency, as I remember.

Welcome to airliners.net  Smile



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineYyzcabincrew From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2002, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2385 times:

yeah we did we joined the pax .

Temos uma coisa em comun ComadanteGomes.


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2377 times:

Ja sabia que voce era Portugues!

HAHA, let's not leave non-Porkchop people out of the loop! But why do I have a feeling you worked for Royal and that I know you??? If so, my email is on my profile.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineYyzcabincrew From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2002, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Canada Air Charter still selling tickets on a planeless airline with no OAC. my bets are that they will get TS to fly the pax for them. Here are the destinations and the specials you can check them out on the semi working website http://www.multivoyage.com/indexFr.html .

Croisieres - taxes non-incluses Date 1 sem 2 sem

MIAMI - PARADISE 28 Avril $912.00
SAN JUAN - DESTINY 7 Avril $712.00

Groupe accompagné de Montréal - taxes non-incluses Date 1 sem 2 sem Disponibility

ESPAGNE - Circuit 14 Sept $2439.00
GRECE - CIRCUIT ET CROISIÈRE 21 Sept $2999.00
ITALIE - CIRCUIT 19 Sept $3299.00
TUNISIE - PREMIERE CLASSE 19 Sept $1759.00



Montréal Reykjavik $585 18 décembre 2001
jan, feb, mars, avril 2003 maximum 28 jours après le départ

Montréal Copenhague $650 18 décembre 2001
sep, oct, nov , dec 2002 maximum 28 jours après départ

Montréal Lisbonne $585 18 décembre 2001
sep , nov, oct, dec 2002 maximum 28 jours après le départ

Montréal Madrid $650 18 décembre 2001
sep , oct , nov , dec 2002 maximum 28 jours après le départ

Montréal Tunis $650 18 décembre 2001
sep , oct , nov , dec 2002 maximum 28 jours après le départ

Montréal Dakar $845 18 décembre 2001
sep , oct , nov , dec 2002 maximum 28 jour après le départ

Montreal Abidjan $975 18 décembre 2001
sep , oct, nov , dec 2002 maximum 28 jours après le départ






User currently offlineYyzcabincrew From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2002, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Ok I this has got to be the UGLIEST interior of the 2000's  Nuts http://www.yes-charter.pt/fotos/Foto015.htm .

User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1802 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Ouch! Ah man who the hell came up with that type of interior. Is YES supposed to be a retro airline of some sort because this looks like a flashback from the 70's.

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Looks like it could be Zip's new interior colours  Smile


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1802 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

LOL, yeah i wouldn't be surprised. Each row being a different colour, Blue, Pink, Green, Red, Orange and.....Yellow! Wouldn't be surprised at all! Hey, it does give you the discount carrier feel, doesn't it?

User currently offlineEnglandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 2241 times:

So this bloke hopes to be up on one of his planes in just 11 days and he doesn't even have an AOC?

I have a few questions:

-Has there been much in the Canadian press about Canada Air Charter?
-Where/who are the DC-10s and A310 being leased from?
-What is Canada World planned to do?

Cheers


User currently offlineYyzcabincrew From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2002, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

Hello Englandair,

He can get the A310's from Royal/Canada 3000 if they are still around. Anyone seen them recently or know their where abouts?

The Dc10-30 he can get them from Canadi>n i believe 2 are still parked in YVR the Dc10-15 no idea  Confused .

If he does not get the a/c or the OAC in time he will most likely subcharter Air Transat's parked L-1011 fleet.

This scenerio is very much like Celtic Airways / Caledonian Wings from Prestwick.


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1802 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

If you ask me, this guy is just smoking something very strong and has been having these very strange and unrealistic dreams, nothing more, nothing less. I mean c'mon, Montreal-Abidjan? What the.......

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

The CP DC-10's are all long gone, some went to Biman, the others went to the grave yards in Arizona...ROYAL's A310's are also long gone, one is being held by Air France, and the other three have been returned to the leasing company in England, and I think may be on their way back to China...

Sounds to me like a guy with too much money, wanting to waste it on something stupid just so that he can get his companies name on the side of an airplane...Good luck to the fool...he will need it...



"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineYyzcabincrew From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2002, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Canada Air Chareter web site UP AND RUNNING.
VERY AIR CLUB!

Equipment will be B747/Dc10 http://www.canadaaircarter.com


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1802 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

You spelled "charter" wrong, so wonder it didn't work!

User currently offlineYyzcabincrew From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2002, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

OOOPPPS SOWWY guys/gals
http://www.canadaaircharter.com


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1802 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

That's ok, everyone does mistakes, that's why they got erasers on pencils!

User currently offlineSafeFlyer From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Oh boy, I think the website designers need some french lessons! IT's full of mistakes. LOL!

I don't personally think they will fly in the near future.

CessnaPimp, that's why I don't see you very often in the museum those days. You are now a FA in the AC world. Nice to hear that. Enjoy. Hope you'll not fly on those "plastic" A320s hehe!
(Remember?)
And you were the only one who could have told me when the DC-9 will be arriving!  Wow!


User currently offlineYyzcabincrew From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2002, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Safeflyer,

Buts its not french its quebecois  Laugh out loud !


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1802 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Actually, it's called Joalle, or Joelle, any way it's pronounced jo-w-al-e. I wouldn't know, I'm not french.

User currently offlineEnglandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (12 years 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

A beautiful livery in my opinion- but I thought you could only have the flag of the country it's registered in on an aircraft......?

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