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CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today, 15 April  
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

CO resumes it's dialy nonstop CLE-LGW today. It was shelved in early October following the Sept 11 attacks.
Flt 66 departs CLE at 725pm. Flt 67, LGW-CLE, will resume on 16 April. Over 180,000 people took the CLE-LGW flight while it operated from June, 1999 till it was supsended last October.

Hopefully, this is a sure sign that air travel, at least for Clevelanders, is getting back to normal.

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User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Good news for Cleveland, Continental...AND the 757. This city pair is a prime demonstration not only of Boeing's 'hub bypass' theory in action, but a great example of the versatility of the 'Rocket Ship'...and how longer range designs of the Seven Five should be pursued.

User currently offlineDelta777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

I want to go up to CLE, but i can`t drive. too bad.  Sad

D E L T A 7 7 7


User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 494 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

Well this is good news for Cleveland-- in my opinion CLE is the most underserved market in the country. Only 4 flights to BOS for example, one on a regional jet? (My home market of RDU must have about 15-20 to BOS!). Only 3 flights to LAX? Only 2 flights to SFO?

User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 780 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Hub bypass? CO still considers CLE a hub. Wonder why they don't put a 767-200 on the route?

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Hub bypass? CO still considers CLE a hub.

CO certainly doesn't consider Cleveland a European gateway hub....that's reserved for EWR. That's what I meant by my comment.

Whether CLE could become a European, even Asian, embarcation point for CO remains to be seen.


User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Oh a 752 at LGW im so happy ooooo i betta go and shoot it.

CO 752's are common and boring...use a bigger a/c to LGW!!!!!

LGW


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4528 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Good for Cleveland! Always good to hear good aviation news at one of my "other homes."

NCFlyer asks why CLE is so underserved on key routes...do a search for Alpha 1's thread "Want to know why CLE is so screwed up?" The thread has a link to a long article in Cleveland's tabloid-alternative newspaper, the Free Press I think it's called.

Basically, the City of Cleveland runs the airport and uses it as a dumping ground for mayoral cronies who are about as competent as Homer Simpson to run an airport. They keep fees high (which is why WN doesn't expand there) and have fumbled runway reconfiguration repeatedly. They fumbled inquries from JetBLue, and get this, *Lufthansa Cargo!* These airlines *came inquring* and the city messed up. Unbelievable.

It remains to be seen whether the new mayor, Jane Campbell, will change things. Let's hope that the courts don't throw any more monkey wrenches in the runway work.

Jim



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

This also marks the start of a 3 day campaign in which Mayor Campbell, the head of city council, and top CO execs will be going to LGW to boost tourism to CLE and Ohio. Looks like the city and CO are finally getting along!

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.plACCT=no&TICK=CAL&STORY=/www/story/04-15-2002/0001706228&EDATE



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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Why would anyone want to fly NS from London to Cleveland, the "mistake by the lake." Or, if you prefer, "Detroit without the glamor." BTW, is the Cucomonga river still on fire?  Big grin


Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

That's so original Stretch. When's the last time you've been to Cleveland? Also, why does it matter what the city is like for you to fly non-stop CLE-LGW? If you live in the midwest and can connect at EWR or CLE why not choose CLE? Your reasoning makes no sense. By the way, it's the Cuyahoga River.

User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Sorry Flykid. I was in Cleveland last year. My best friend from law school lives in Cleveland, and I bust his chops with the same cliche lines. Cleveland is a great town (but the Indians have not, and will not, win the big one).


Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

FrequentFly, let him make fun all he wants. The massively outdated visions of a dumpy downtown and a fiery river in the mind of people who dont know any better is what keeps Cleveland America's best kept secret as far as a great city to live in.

If the secret gets out the cost of living goes up, the traffic gets out of control, the delays at the airport....

YES! CLEVELAND IS A PIT! YOUD NEVER WANT TO LIVE THERE!

(keep thinking that  Wink/being sarcastic )


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Ahh the truth comes out!  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 494 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

I am a native Clevelander and in fact am moving back there this summer and am very excited about it cause there isn't a better place to raise a family-- period.

But I will say the airport is now Cleveland's A#1 embarrassment, and it's sad cause in the jet age so many people form their impression of a city based on its airport. The 1970s signage is the same as when I left town in '85, many of the signs have been taped over or have burned out lightbulbs. The signs pointing out the airport exit are so washed out from sun and rain as to be barely readable. I flew WN and their concourse is so under-maintenanced, it's sad. My personal favorite are the entry doors outside the departure level of the airport-- looks like about half of them were hit and destroyed by rental car buses but have never been repaired.

I read the Free Times Article and I sure do hope Mayor Cambpell gets it-- but I don't know how big a hole she can dig out of. I'd say the airport is a good 30 years behind the times-- in terms of its service and the quality of the facility.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

This city pair is a prime demonstration not only of Boeing's 'hub bypass' theory in action
Say what?Isnt CLE a hub?


User currently offlineM.Seles_Fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Hooray!

As a Clevelander I am happy by the news. Now lets get that Tokyo, Paris, Frankfurt flight in here. I'm going too fast. Big grin


User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 816 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

NCFlyer---


Fly CO and you will see CLE doesn't have a half way bad terminal. Terminal D is it? The comuter terminal is really nice, the tunnel is a nice addition and the CO wing has been expanded and renovated since D was opened. The runway issue sucks however, and I do agree the other parts of the terminal are quite horrible. The ticket counter areas if I remember correct were quite old too.


Eric



User currently offlineDelta777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Cleveland is a great city, and the suberbs like Independance, Rocky River, Cleveland Heights, Shaker Heights, etc. are beautiful ! The airport is a different story.

D E L T A 7 7 7


User currently offlineBernard Shakey From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 560 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

The Cleveland Browns will win the 2003 Super Bowl and you heard it here first.


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User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Only reason Cleveland doesn't have more direct flights or maybe even UNITED using it as a hub is becasue our airport directors are such pains to deal with.


The Ohio Player
User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

This city pair is a prime demonstration not only of Boeing's 'hub bypass' theory in action
Say what?Isnt CLE a hub?


Once again...

Cleveland is a hub. Cleveland is NOT a hub to Europe for CO. Newark is. The 757 is changing that. It is an excellent example of Boeing's smaller jets on non-traditional city pairs theory that is often cited in the endless Airbus vs. Boeing arguments here.

Hope that clears it up.



User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Doesn't BA have service from Cleveland to LHR? If not, it must be the ONLY major U.S. city without a BA presence. Tokyo and Frankfurt? It will never happen.


Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

Nope. No BA Stretch.


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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Stretch 8, Minneapolis is the largest BA-less US city.


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25 NWA Man : Mah4546- Just to clarify, MSP is the largest metro area not served by BA, not the largest city. Referring to the 2000 census, I believe MSP is only th
26 Mah4546 : NWA Man, yes, that is correct. When I refer to city I usually mean metro, and metro area population is the figure most commonly used for almost every
27 Yyz717 : I agree with Heavymetal. CLE-LGW is a great example of a large hub/gateway bypass, a small hub builder, and the continued fracturing of the TA market.
28 Alpha 1 : LGW, I enjoyed your ignorance. Why do you care what aircraft is used? CO uses the plane it uses for one reason-TO TRY TO MAKE A PROFIT!!! You don't ru
29 Yyz717 : The big 'danger' to CO growing the CLE hub, is its proximity to EWR. Look on a map of the US.....EWR and CLE are close neighbours. Any future downturn
30 FrequentFlyKid : Okay Stretch, now its on. You can talk about the river being on fire all you want (hell, I wasn't even alive then), but when you knock the Indians you
31 Post contains images BA777 : She's due in in 10mins BA777
32 Airzim : YYZ, CLE and EWR are two different hubs. CLE is a East-West hub. EWR is more North-South, Europe and point to point to New York. EWR is basically at c
33 Arsenal@LHR : A 757 on the route right? Any chance of a 762 if the demands get higher? ArsenalLHR
34 Alpha 1 : Arsenal@LHR, I think you might see a 762 if CO can renegotiate landing fees with the City of Cleveland. Right now, CLE has the THRID HIGHEST landing f
35 Stretch 8 : Flykid: I am originally from Detroit. And yes, I know the Tigers are 0-11. Does CO still operate D10s across the pond? Anyone remember when CO was kno
36 M.Seles_Fan : Continental isn't operating anymore DC-10s. If they are its in their pacific operations. Atlantic is all boeing now. I would like to see CLE-LGW be up
37 EA CO AS : FYI....CO has retired their entire fleet of DC-10 aircraft. All longhaul routes are being operated by B-777s as well as B-767-200 and B-767-400 aircra
38 FrequentFlyKid : Well Stretch, you took all my ammo. I guess you win. Since the 767 has come up in question. CO's 767-200 have a capacity of 25/149 for a total of 174.
39 David_itl : Aren't the transatlantic 757-200s configuation 16/156 making 172? David/MAN
40 STT757 : The Trans-Atlantic 757s are configured 172 which is just about the same as the 767-200, the difference being that that 767-200 has more Business First
41 Alpha 1 : FrequentFlyKid, remember that the BusinessFirst 757-200 hold 16-156 for a total of 172, only 2 less total than the 767-200, which are ALL B-First conf
42 FrequentFlyKid : That's my point guys.
43 HlywdCatft : I'm from Detroit too, but I think Cleveland is a nicer city. Detroit must be the biggest American City without a Hard Rock Cafe, Cleveland at least ha
44 Jetskipper : There are two ways to evaluate city population...population within city limits, and metropolitan area. A lot of older large cities actually have very
45 707GUY : In regards to Jetlink having more pilots than mainline CO, I read recently that CO is looking to offload Jetlink. Don't know to who or if the name wou
46 Thomacf : When looking at pop. you have to look at the metro area. ATL is smaller than CLE and many other cities if you just look at the cities pop. We all know
47 N766UA : Jetlink was made seperate a couple of months ago and is now ExpressJet Airlines.
48 DeltAirlines : Hey LGW, I wouldn't mind having a CO 757 here at Boston on a regular basis, all I see are 737s (and the occasional ERJ-145 from CLE). I think that CLE
49 Che : Its nice to see it back again. We now have our nonstop to LGW. Hopefully it will be successfull is the future and air travel inCleveland will continue
50 N766UA : So far 66 and 67 have operated right on schedule. I checked boarding totals for the past 2 and next 3 days and they're all between 70-95 passengers in
51 BestWestern : Which, for first days of operation is good, routes take two weeks to gain full effect of dual originating traffic. i.e. London originating traffic won
52 CALpilot : I flew the flight yesterday, we were on time both sides, good load , and a wonderful crew to work with, and our team in London does a very nice job. I
53 Jetskipper : Express has indeed been sold. On Wednesday, the ExpressJet Holdings IPO priced at $16 a share, there were 30 million shares sold. Today the shares wil
54 Arsenal@LHR : Why is the landing fee at CLE so expensive? those figures are outrageous!!! One expects landing fees to be higher at airports like LAX, ORD, JFK etc,
55 Alpha 1 : Arsenal, your guess is as good as anyone's. CLE is still in the middle of a close to $1 billion expansion project, but EWR is spending more than that
56 Arsenal@LHR : What's the biggest plane at CLE anyway? 757's?
57 Ncflyer : Does the $1B expansion include improvements to the terminal/passenger facilities, or just to the runways and adjoining land? I find the website clevel
58 Kcle : Arsenal, the largest regularly scheduled pax aircraft is the 757, however, the largest cargo aircraft is the A300. I've noticed that even foreign dign
59 Arsenal@LHR : CLE could see 762's if somehow CO decides to use them to LGW if the demand warrants it. Arsenal@LHR
60 STT757 : Does UAL still fly 767-300s into ORD?.. (from CLE)
61 Redngold : Statistics all in one place: Largest pax a/c: 757-300, American Trans Air's scheduled charter CLE-LAS; 757-200 Continental Airlines Flt. 66/67, CLE-LG
62 Heavymetal : KCLE... An Antonov An-124 did in fact visit Hopkins several years ago to deliver the city Christmas tree! I watched it from my office downtown and qui
63 N766UA : The 124 was just here last month and a few times before that a few months ago. Fees are so high because of the expansion plus the city is a joke and w
64 CALpilot : Jetskipper, yes the IPO opened, but we still own and control that company! We will for a least another year, unless something changes that! We still o
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