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YWG Underserved.... I Think Not!  
User currently offlineC-GRYK From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 751 posts, RR: 36
Posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

After arguing over on ICQ with YWG777, we have decided to ask other users what they think of the idea of YWG (or any other Canadian airport for that matter) being underserved.

YWG777 feels there is a need for more service, why you may ask..... Because he wants to spot more planes, not because the commercial sector of Winnipeg is crying out for more non stop services, but because he wants to see an American MD-80 or whatever every day. I may ask him publicly, what makes you think YWG is so underserved? You can get to most major cities in the world with one stop, through MSP or ORD or YYZ or YVR, airlines don't have grudges towards YWG, if they could make money there, they would, but making money in the airline industry seems hard to fathom for some... put it this way, airlines, like everything else run on supply and demand... if 200 people wanted to fly from YWG to London every day, there would be a flight, obviously, there is no market from YWG for Int'l non stops. I gotta go now but feel free to add to the topic, this might once and for all solve the "my airport is underserved" arguments.

Jeremy


Think before you type!
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User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

Oh OH, RYK you opened it up now...I cant wait to see what this thread turns into...Not that I dissagree with you.....


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

Isn't Royal2 going to use YWG as an international hub? And I heard Westjet was going to get new 767's and use them out of YWG too. We'll have to wait and see I guess.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineMcdougald From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

Speaking as someone who lives in the Winnipeg area, almost directly below the runway 31 approach in fact, YWG is decently served considering its population and economic base.

We don't have overseas services for the same reasons as Des Moines and Omaha, to name two other midwestern cities of similar size and economic base: the loads would be paltry, and there are plenty of nearby hubs from which to make better connections.


User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

In my oppionion it would take a lot more than jusy 200 O & D pax to a european city for a carrier to step in and serve it non stop....


Eric



User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

Or even look at the cities of Kansas City, Milwaukee, and Indianapolis. They are much bigger than OMA and DSM with major league sports franchises and all they don't have trans-Atlantic services.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

EVERY city in North America is adequately served. That's what domestic deregulation & transborder open skies means.

EVERY airline has teams of marketing analysts, financial analysts, planners, etc......who are constantly analyzing new routes and cities.

If there a market oppy in YWG, it would be served.

YWG is adequately served. YWG is adequately served. YWG is adequately served. YWG is adequately.......

Neil




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

Yyz717 - well said.

A market isn't underserved, if the market does not have a preferable geographic location, and a SUBSTANTIAL base for the operations then it won't happen. If there is a market than the airline will be there.

I too have heard YWG777's comments about American should come to YWG because the service is needed. American failed miserably with their last attempt into YWG.

Then there is the YWG-DTW arguement. Which in my opinion is also flawed. Why fly YWG-DTW when it's cheaper for NorthWest to funnel the passengers to MSP.

No Heavies in YWG...boohoo. Winnipeg is easily accesable to YYZ, why bother wasting another plane, slots, crew, and money on a route that might fail.

I'm willing to hear your arguements Shawn.



Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

Both YVR & YYC have DTW service now (for the summer only), although NW still carries MORE pax to MSP from YWG than from YVR & YYC. So you could ask why didn't NW add YWG-DTW before YVR/YYC-DTW. I think Fallingeese hit it on the head....YWG is simply too close to MSP.

AA will NOT return to YWG any time soon. Their ORD-YWG service was an expensive failure.

YWG used to get NW DC-10 service......20 years ago.

Neil



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMcdougald From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

I flew one of those DC-10s, but NW generally used 727s, and didn't offer as many flights. The DC-10 arrived from MSP in the later part of the evening, and flew back out at roughly 7 a.m. the next morning.

The way airlines operated in the '70s and early '80s seems almost perverse today. 737s to Dryden, DC-9s to Timmins, CP Air promoting how it always served its meals on dishes, never plastic...


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

ya, I agree McDougald. Air traffic was 50% of current levels back in 75 yet so many heavies everywhere.

I remember summer 75 in YWG seeing daily AC 741's.

YYZ had UA 741's to ORD and 6 daily AA D10's....now the largest AA at YYZ is the 738.







Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineYwg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

YWG Market
Well guys its the time you’ve been waiting for. Shawn to give his 2 cents on the topic about
Winnipeg being Underserviced. First off let me just say that this topic has been a hot debate not
only on airliners.net but on the WCAS Aviation Forum. The reason why I decided to wait this
long to post was I wanted to see what everyone else was going to say before I threw in my 2
cents on this issue.

Winnipeg International Airport has 3 runways and 8 Jetways. From post September 11th our air
traffic has gone on a major increase and I am happy to say that we are past pre September 11th
traffic at this time. I feel since December we have gained allot of traffic with Westjet which
Winnipeg is presently its 3rd hub and to everyone here that is a real treat finally getting a airline
with hub status in Winnipeg for once. I will talk about this later on.

First off Domestically I feel traffic is slightly Underserviced has we don’t have any direct flights to
the East coast yet which hopefully we will get in the years to come. I have seen some impressive
routes happen with westjet which is a success. Sault Ste Marie and Sudbury both have jet service
andboth of them are doing quite well. London Ontario was another move by Westjet and does
very well as I have seen the off loads at about 70%. In may Air Canada Tango will start direct
service to Windsor,Montreal,Ottawa,Calgary,Edmonton and Vancouver and I think it will all be a
success. First Air which comes in here on twice a week basis does Rankin Inlet in a 727 or 737.
Its noice to see that Winnipeg has Jet service to North and hopefully 1 day we may get
Yellowknife or Whitehorse. I still feel there is a need for more doemstic travel even possibly
hourly service to Toronto which WAA wants to have by 2003 with Air Canada using mainly
Airbus 320’s/319’s/321’s.

Westjet is Canada’s favorite Low Cost carrier and has a hub status in Winnipeg. First off Westjet
does very well here with about 15-20 departures out of its Winnipeg hub a day. Yes we are the
smallest hub for westjet but the 3rd. This year Westjet expects to add about 50% of its flights
through Winnipeg as we are not only a small hub but a major focus city for Westjet. This all
started in November when West announced they would add Thompson and Sault Ste Marie. I
knew Thompson would be a success but I was really debatable on Sault Ste Marie, but we all
know Westjet “they go where the money is.” in December they added Sudbury, and London
Ontario and Edmonton in February. I knew Edmonton would be a success just because AC only
did 1 daily flight at the time and Westjet sure gave them war with 2 and the loads for the
Winnipeg-Edmonton flight Are at 80% on the weekdays. London I thought this wasn’t going to
work but I guess theres a demand for it because its 6 days a week and that route was a success. In
March Westjet added Regina again because there was demand for it. Believe me I would rather fly
to Regina in a 737 then in a dash 8 or fokker. Westjet flights arrive and depart here with in 30
minutes. They have a real prak time here at 10am when there are 3 flights here at once going in all
different directions North,West and East. Westjet overall will be extremely successful in
Winnipeg.

Transborder Flights out of Winnipeg could see a few more destinations and a few more airlines
doing them. I think we are underserviced quite a bit actually comparing to other airports in
Canada like Halifax and Edmonton which those cities are around the same size of Winnipeg yet
they get more US carriers and more US routes then Winnipeg. Winnipeg is currently served by 2
US cities Chicago with Air Canada and Minneapolis St. Paul by Northwest.
Air Canada currently has 3 daily flights to “The Gateway of the World” (Chicago O’hare
International Airport) with CRJ’s. In may Air Canada is finally upgrading the 7:30am departure
from a CRJ to a Boeing 737-200 which means that a sign that more people are flying that
particular flight.
Northwest has served Winnipeg since the 1920’s and they sure have made their presece here as
they are “Winnipeg’s favorite US carrier” Only reason why they are “Winnipeg’s favorite US
carrier” is because they are the “Only” Us carrier that serves Winnipeg. Northwest does do really
well here with 6 daily flights to the Twin Cities with a assortment of differen’t types a aircraft.
They use the DC-9’s/ CRJ and a Saab 340. Hopefully They will add a flight into their Detroit hub
because there are way more connections made there over seas then in Minneapolis.
Compared to Halifax which has 3 US carriers as well as Edmonton Winnipeg is underserviced.
Lets all face it. Halifax is 3 times smaller then Winnipeg yet they have more flights to the US on 3
different US carriers!!! Edmonton is bit larger then Winnipeg but not by much and they also have
3 US carriers there and more destinations to choose from. United express,Horizion, and
Northwest going to differen’t cities, Minneapolis, Seattle, and Denver. Air Canada flies a 737 to
Los Angeles. Even if Horizon or United express came to YWG at least there would be be more
“choices” to choose from then 1. We all remember the price war of 1996 with American,
Northwest and Air Canada going to the exact same city with different planes. American pulled out
of Winnipeg with in 6 months. I give them credit for challenging Northwest and hope that they
will return. I think they may of beat Northwest but lost royally to Air Canada. Having 9 flights to
Chicago with 3 airlines was sure something. American is interested in returning to Winnipeg.
Chances are very likely they will earthier fly a Fokker 100 or ERJ-145 on earthier Chicago or St.
Louis. Dallas is a city that is on WAA’s wish wlist of 10 cities. If Calgary and Vancouver can
support a daily flight from DFW so can Winnipeg. Most of American’s connections are made in
DFW as they have 2 terminals all to them selves and they are debating if Dallas would be good for
Winnipeg.
I feel that if passengers gets more choice then it gives more options and thats something Winnipeg
is lacking is “options”
For International service well all I can say is we have none and every medium sized city in Canada
has but Winnipeg. Look at St. Johns Newfoundland they have daily London Service and they are
5 times smaller then Winnipeg.. If St.. John’s can support a London route so can Winnipeg. When
Royal did the London route 2 times a week they were very successful with the A310. Now we are
lacking service to London. Hopefully AC or Transat will launch a 4 times a week service. Thats
all we need. If Uzbakstan airways decides to come to Winnipeg over Toronto it will be a
welcome relief because that will be our First International carrier and I am sure they can fill the
767-300 to Kiev. Hopefully we will hear the announcement soon.

These are my thoughts on Why Winnipeg is underserviced..


Shawn J Trotman



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

Shawn, you're facts aren't right.

YEG has a population of 950k. YWG 650k. YEG is 50% larger. Hence, YEG commands more seats. YEG also has a high PCI.

YHZ serves as the 'hub' for Nova Scotia which has a population of 950k....similar to Manitoba's 1M. YHZ has LESS seats offered by US carriers than does YWG. It's just that YWG's are all on one carrier. Comparing YWG and YHZ....I could argue that YWG is over-served.

YYT serves as the hub for NF....population 550k....similar to YWG's 650k. However, NF is virtually 100% British stock.....so flights to the UK are family driven. Manitoba is more ethnically diverse.....hence TA traffic demand is split btwn the UK, Holland, Germany....which minimizes likelihood of a TA flight.

Sorry...once again....YWG seems adequately served to the US. Indeed, with open skies to the US, and deregulation domestically, YWG can only be adequately served. Market oppy's are quickly filled.

Neil





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineSuperdawg From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

What does YWG offer to DFW?

YYC is Canada's Oil and Gas capital, Dallas and Houston are the Oil hubs of the USA not to mention YYC has Banff/Jasper National parks near by.

YVR has great connections to Asia and is the departure point for cruises to Alaska.

These are some of the reasons why YYC and YVR have flights and can support flights to DFW.

YWG has none of the above so just because YYC and YVR can support DFW flights, it does not mean that YWG can.


User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

I'd have to say that for the most part this isn't true and here are some stats to prove it. Preliminary figures for early 2002 show some big decreases in passenger traffic:

2002 Scheduled Charter Total Change*
January 180,014 14,259 194,273 -19.9%
February 180,334 14,032 194,366 -17.0%

Not even 200,000 pax a month means YWG's traffic levels have fallen to those of the early 90s. Other airports of in the mid-size, including YEG still managed a gain and YOW managed to almost break even last year in pax numbers.

YWG in the past 6 months has gained a ton of new routes with WestJet and a few more are coming with Tango. So any underserved markets that did exist, no longer do. As for hourly service to YWG, not a chance. AC doesn't even have truly hourly mainline YOW-YYZ flights at the moment - the country's third busiest domestic route (no noon and 9pm departures), although there are 3 Tango flights in their place, which balances things out.

About the only thing that YWG may be lacking is a transborder route to a westward hub, to avoid backtracking through MSP or ORD.


User currently offlineYwg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

I do argree with you YOW about YWG lacking a transborder route to the Westren US. I can see eathier LAX or DEN would work. Possibly PHX,SLC or SFO would be the possibilties.Even when the YWG-DEN route was in effect back in 1999 people would fly to DEN and then back track to LGA,MCO,MIA it made absoulty no sense what so ever. IUf you want the list of all the connections that people went through DEN just ask Matt Lee. Also Neil Winnipg is the hib for Saskatchwan, Manitooba and Northwestren Ontario. do you not argree with that?

Shawn


User currently offlineMcdougald From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

Before there are going to be any new services, there have to be numbers to justify them.

With Winnipeg's metro population having barely changed since the 1996 census, there are no grounds for adding new services on the basis of population growth.

There would be hope if there was evidence of growing demand for the kind of high-yield traffic that airlines love. But there isn't. One warning sign of that was when Holt Renfrew drastically downsized, turning most of its store space into a clearance outlet.

If it's a soft market for Hugo Boss suits, it's probably a soft market for full-fare plane tickets, too.

What Winnipeg needs if it's going to earn (yes, earn -- there is no such thing in airline economics as 'deserve') is the kind of strong economic and population growth that fuels new services to Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton, Minneapolis and other strong-growth cities.

As for the WAA, their best bet is to come up with cold hard numbers before trying to lure in new services. Or, better yet, think of creative ways of using the services we already have.

Every year, thousands of Manitobans drive or take the bus to watch pro sports at the Metrodome or to the Mall of America. Even Premier Doer is an avowed Minnesota Vikings fan, and the Minnesota Twins launched a campaign in 2001 to change allegiances in what was traditionally Blue Jays territory. Why not team up with the Twin Cities CVB, the sports teams, the mall and Minnesota Tourism to get a deal with NW that would shift some of those people off the Interstate and on to Northwest flights?


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

Well said McDougald.

Shawn, YWG is a partial hub for Sask......it's just as easy for Sask to hub thru YYC.....more flights actually. YQT....they are more likely to hub thru YYZ.....there are more seats to YYZ.

YWG has a relatively low PCI and few HQ's......hence business traffic is weak.

YWG needs to focus on economic growth and attracting business. YWG used to be bigger than YYC and YEG 30 years ago.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineYwg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

this was some one who requested I put this on airliners.net for you all to see from Matts board. His call sign is Rocket.




Look it's quite simple really. As the WAA has only been around 5 years or so they have not yet been able to acheive the market they're targeting for. The simple downside to YWG is it's lack of immediate numbers. In terms of increased Intl travel it's true... YWG would be a poor bet for a scheduled service... the numbers of people asking to go to one destination every day and maintaining those high numbers with a pop. of only 1.4million in MB. is ludicrous. The only scheduled airline I could see making a killing for Intl' runs is Uzbekistan, and Iceland air becuase the population and ethnic backrounds are simply all present. Let me make one thing crystal clear to everyone here...
YWG's intl. customer market does not lie regular sched. runs but in the charter airline market. Why? simple.

1) YWG is one of only three Intl. Airports in the country which runs 24/7. This means that aircraft travelling on the North/South access with travellers who want to get the most from their vacation without being harrased can arrive late at night without incurring penalties. This is especially usefull for airlines with limited planes which end up having to get serviced in Mexico and have to depart late.

2) YWG has also had a nearly spotless record. Despite the harsh winter climate the number of flights regularly delayed by bad weather in YWG may be ammounted to next to nothing. The only time I've heard of delays is during the summer months surprisingly when a "Red Alert" would be called. This basically means that all ramp crews must seek shelter until a heavy electrical storm passes. Even so the longest I've ever heard of that lasting was 30 minutes. Nothing compared to the shutting down of runaways for hours, or delays due to inadequate and in experienced de-icing crews at other airports. This also means that inbound traffic does not have to be slowed to a minnimum which means connecting passangers will virtually never miss their outbound flights.

3) YWG is dirt cheap to operate from. When an aircraft such as "Heavy Lift's" Antonov goes out of it's way the land and park overnight in YWG only to get charged $4000.00 for the venture... you can only imagine what a place like YUL, or YYZ might charge the company. It is also moderatly cheap for anybody to come to YWG simply for the reason that no matter where you are situated North South East or West YWG is a resonable distance and equiditant for everybody.


4) Customer Serivce. YES... "Friendly Manitoba" does hold a ring to it. Upon survey YWG's hospitality industry rates among the highest in North America in terms of Customer Satisfaction... which also includes the airport. When in the 2000-2001 Winter charter season a TOTAL of 6 bags get mishandled because of mistakes caused directly by the YWG chrater ramp crews... that's impressive, considering other major centers loose that many every 10 minutes. Some people say that it's becasue the other places are so much bigger... that's bull... I work ramp and when properly organized there is absoloutly NO EXCUSE to loose as many bags as those other major centers do.

5) YWG is setup to handle aircraft anywhere from a Cessna to the Super 6 engine Antonov Mammoth with ease and efficiency.

Look the numbers speak for themselves. When during the aforementioned Charter season YWG averaged 4 Intl. Arivals and departures (besides the sched. NW and AC runs) all to different destinations, all of them nothing smaller than a 757 and ALL FULL, ALL THE TIME...that alone speaks numbers. When Royal does 4 flights weekly with an A310 carrying 255 passangers to LasVegas for 7 Months straight and again FULL EVERY FLIGHT... that speaks numbers. When Canada 3000 does flights to Orlando for half the cost of what AirCanada offers through YWG with a 757 and again FULL EVERY FLIGHT... thats numbers.
When you have a setup such as those two airlines had the market for those flight suddenly changes from just Manitoba to include people from all directions North South East and West. I remeber one LasVegas flight was 3/4 full of Americans who had crossed the board by car so that they could save $400 US on an all expense paid trip with Signature.


As for those plane spotters... don't worry... YWG is still a great hub of commercial activity. In the immediate future... former Royal and Canada3000 cargo is changing their 4 nightly ACE 727-200's to all 757's as the 727's are no longer addequte to their cargo needs. We have the most conveniant road network, the most extensive rail network, and most conviniant locations for TA cargo flights, when WAA starts to develop this place you probably won't see anything else but heavies.


P.S. Could somebody who belongs to A.net please fix spelling mistakes and post this as a response... they don't seem to be taking new members... Thanks



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

ACE is getting 752F's??

That's news to me. Delivery date Shawn?






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

I'm yet to see hard facts on why YWG should be served. All I am seeing is just reasons comparred to other cities. YWG does NOT need Texas service because YYC and YEG have it. There are tons of flights there everyday, on 3 carriers. It's big business, what does Manitoba have to offer Texans? Why fly YWG-DTW when the proximity to MSP is what it is? There is no need when the mega-hub is so close.


Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineYwg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

Don't ask me ask Rocket. He knows I just posted this for him. He made some very good points on YWG and hopefully we will get Uzbakstan airways over YYZ so we have International air carrier.

Shawn


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

Shawn, just wondering, what are the reasons why Uzbakstan would choose Winnipeg instead of Toronto? Given the choice of one or the other, wouldn't they choose the bigger market? Just wondering.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineCannedSpam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

Shawn,

You said....

American is interested in returning to Winnipeg.
Chances are very likely they will earthier fly a Fokker 100 or ERJ-145 on earthier Chicago or St. Louis. Dallas is a city that is on WAA’s wish list of 10 cities. If Calgary and Vancouver can support a daily flight from DFW so can Winnipeg. Most of American’s connections are made in DFW as they have 2 terminals all to them selves and they are debating if Dallas would be good for
Winnipeg.


Please accept the fact that AA is not interested in YWG. AA has better things to do with an F-100 or RJ in comparison to sending one on a STL-YWG or ORD-YWG trip. Besides, where do you think they would get the aircraft time to fly it anyway? BTW, who is doing the debating over Dallas being good for Winnipeg? AA or YWG?


User currently offlineYwg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

Uzbakstan may not choose Toronto and go with YWG cause of the Ukrainian population Winnipeg has plus the fact its way cheaperfor landing fees in Winnipeg then it is in Toronto. I am still awaiting a announement from them.
As for AA is consirned I have met with WAA and WAA is intrested in Dallas over Chicago simply because AC owns the YWG-ORD route and if AA did that again chances are likely they would loose again to AC. Therefore Dallas or St. Louis is second choice. Alot of AA connections are made in DFW plus its 2.5 hours streight south of Winnipeg.
I did send them a e-mail so I should hear something back real soon. don't worry I will be happy to tell you all.

Shawn


25 DeltAirlines : In regards to comparing YHZ to YWG: For starters, only one US Airline currently flies to YHZ (Continental), with Delta coming in on 1 May. Continental
26 Fallingeese : So let me get this straight, it's the WAA that wants AA to serve YWG? I doubt it will happen, I don't know if the demand is there.
27 AluminumShower : Shawn, You had a meeting with WAA? Please eloborate on that.... What kind of meeting and with who? What did you talk about?
28 Slawko : LOL Uzbekistan to YWG....shawn you have to learn that just because they apply for route rights doesnt mean that they want to serve the market...Uzbeki
29 Yow : All airport authorities campaign the airlines for new routes or increases in air service, not just the WAA.
30 Fly_yhm : YOW I agree with you on that Here in Hamilton they are always talking with airlines. and they are doing los to get their attention. I think once the n
31 Yow : Fly_yhm, I agree. Sooner or later YHM will get back a transborder route.
32 Planeawesome : No more blue/gold Air Ukraine IL-62's to YYZ. It's the end of an era. Pity.
33 Ywg777 : First off Uzbakstan isn't confirmed yet as to where they are flying so lets not jump the gun yet. Second my connections at WAA is the Cheif Operating
34 Yyz717 : How do you know that Planeawesome?
35 Post contains images Slawko : YYZ717, I think planeawesome was refering to my post...Air Ukraine filed for bankruptcy in february, but they now have some more help from the governm
36 Yyz717 : Thanks Slawko. That's too bad. It was nice seeing their colourful IL-62's. Ciao N
37 AluminumShower : You know Coleen?! Wow! I must be mistaken..... NOT! If AA was really interested in YWG, which they are not, they would connect passengers over ORD ver
38 Gmonney : Well the way I look at it is this.....I would do what Jeremy did this past March Break......I would take a flight to JFK or LGW and from there fly out
39 Yyz717 : ya.
40 Ywg777 : I do know Coleen. Also everyone on matt lees board feels that Winnipeg needs International service. If you go there and read everyones post. I just ho
41 Yyz717 : YWG used to have daily AC 741's to LHR in the 70's. Then downgraded to L15's in the 80's. Then downgraded further to 762's in the early 90's. Then it
42 C-GRYK : Shawn, how exactly do you KNOW that a 4x weekly London service can be supported. You don't KNOW that it can be supported because you haven't researche
43 Gmonney : I think if you have like say 1000 people per week that want to travel.....let say to and from LHR to YWG, I could honestly say that you MAY fill a 767
44 Yyz717 : Since there is no 767 operation at YWG, an LHR-YWG service would require a 767 routing YYZ-LHR-YWG-LHR-YYZ. But this would require the YYZ-LHR legs to
45 Mcdougald : YWG777 wrote: "I know AC can fill a 767 4 times a week doing YWG-LHR Winnipeg as you know has quite a large Europeian population" They tried a twice-w
46 C-GRYK : YWG777, Your statements that YWG needs more traffic were not backed up with any evidence or statistics, but just your personal dream world wishes. And
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