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CA129 Crash: 1st Crash In 47 Years.  
User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Source from Taiwan's Udn News.

As you may not awared of, Air China's CA129 fatal crash in Busan, Korea, is the 1st air disaster for the company in 47 years.

This crashed demolished the 'miracle' of Zero-Accident for Air China. People are now starting to doubt whether this 'safest' airline in China.

When Air China was re-established, it was the time when Taiwan allows it's citizen to visit their relatives in China. As one of the safest airline in China, Air China is the top choice for Taiwanese.

Many Taiwanese' businessman said that despite the unifrom of Air China is ugly, and the inflight meal tastes awful, they're still willing to choose Air China, because of it's perfect safety record (Like SIA).

大陸中國國際航空公司昨天在南韓釜山發生空難,打破國航零空難的「奇蹟」,也使這個過去被台商視為「最安全」大陸航空公司的品牌,受到質疑。

國航成立之初,恰好是台灣開放民眾赴大陸探親之際,國航看好當時每年四十萬人次以上的台胞市場,標榜「安全飛行」,特別受到台胞注意。

不少台商表示,雖然國航的空服員制服難看,飛機餐難吃,但看在飛了四十多年沒有發生一件重大安全事故的份上,到大陸出差,一定選擇國航。台灣的旅行社也因安全考量,常以國航為首選。




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User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

I am not so sure Air China's "zero accident" is a real achievement. The zero accident claim is for Air China and its predecessor, CAAC's Beijing Bureau. The Beijing Bureau always had the newer planes and served most of the high-visibility domestic and international routes. Other than that, I wasn't aware of any significant difference of how the other two major CAAC Bureaus in Shanghai and Guangzhou were run. This is like saying Korean Air has not crashed an Airbus plane. Would this make me feel more comfortable flying a Korean Air's Airbus? Not really. Is Air China really safer than China Eastern and China Southern? Not in my opinion.

User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Here in Hong Kong, there are quite a few outdoor ads from Air China, trumpeting their safety record. I wonder how quickly will those ads be taken down now!

'949


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

Quite ridiculous to exclude the numerous CAAC crashes from the past. This is like saying "Adria Airways never had a crash since they are called Adria Airways - forget those nasty Inex Adria accidents." CAAC is CAAC is Air China.

Oh, and even if you count only crashes under the very name "Air China" - there was another one in 1990 which CA officials conveniently forget.

Daniel


User currently offlineOxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

What was the crash in 1990 ? What plane was it ? I could't remember.


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

It was a Trident doing a rough landing. Apparently not too spectacular, and fortunately without fatalities, but the plane was subsequently written off due to the severe damage.

Daniel


User currently offlineCathay Pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Where was that accident? (the trident one)


cathay pacific, now you're really flying
User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Gui Lin, March 22, 1990.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1990/900322-0.htm

Daniel


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3258 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Yes, it was CA's first fatal accident. That is a sad blemish on the proud record of the airline. For those who wish to argue that the record of the entire old CAAC should be reflected in Air China's figures, that is like saying that the safety record of the current version of Pan Am should include the accidents of its original incarnation.

Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1963 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

The Air China name is not even 47 years old. The airline simply did not exist in any way prior to 1988. How can they claim to have been safe for 47 years when they did not exist as "air china" prior to 1988?

This would be like Pan Am saying......we've been around since 1920 and never lost a plane. Uhhhh, no you haven't....


User currently offlineSpaceman From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

They did exist for 47 years, just they were under another name before 1990. The old company transfer itself to Air China, and they did not have any accident on any international flights untill now.

User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

Guys, their claim is for the Beijing Bureau of CAAC which later became what is known today as Air China International. The Shanghai Bureau became China Eastern, and the Guangzhou Bureau became China Southern. OTOH, I tend to agree that it's ludicrous to separate the safety record of the different bureaus. I didn't see anything distinctly different between the bureaus when they were still all under CAAC. The Beijing Bureau happened to fly newer aircraft and higher visibility routes, most notably all the international routes in the early days.

User currently offlineHawkeye2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Even so, I'd bet Air China's safety record is still better than Taiwan's own China Airlines!

User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Can anyone confirm whether the various bureaus under the old CAAC actually operated independently from each other?

'949


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

>>>For those
who wish to argue that the record of the entire old CAAC should be reflected in Air China's figures,
that is like saying that the safety record of the current version of Pan Am should include the accidents
of its original incarnation.

No, it´s exactly the contrary: PA is new airline using old name.
CA is old airline using new name.

>>>Even so, I'd bet Air China's safety record is still better than Taiwan's own China Airlines!

Nobody is disputing that.

Daniel


User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

I agree with Dynkrisolo.

I mean, if CA want to claim that they've been around for 47 years, they should also include all the incidents/ accidents that occured; vise versa, if they want to claim that this is their first fatal accident, they should just say "This is Air China's first fatal accident in 14 years", not "the first fatal accident in its proud 47 years"...

That's just lying!

Jimmy


User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1742 times:

Firstly, let's have a look what's on Air China's official web site!

Air China's Crew Operation Department has enjoyed a perfect safety record ever since it was founded in 1955. Source: http://www.airchina.com.cn/caworld/e_caworld.html

Secondly, Airsicknessbag (Daniel), thanks for the web address (http://aviation-safety.net/database/1990/900322-0.htm) you have mentioned above. However, I was unable to find any information about that accident. I don't know where they got the details, because there wasn't anything about it from some most powerful aviation database in China and the database powered by National Transportation Safety Board of USA! Until now, I am still not too sure is that true or not, because no-one can prove it, except the above hyperlink!

Thirdly, just want to answer something, although Air China officially established in 1988, but its crew operation department (CAAC Beijing Bureau) established in 1955 and it was operated independently.

Fourthly, no-one could deny that Air China had a safety record up to 47 years and it has been officially proved by China, IATA and all other civil aviation organizations around the world, and all media entities fully reckon that there is nothing wrong with the safety record, because it is the truth and fact!


User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 950 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

When did Chinese official provide accurate information.

Morever, there are couple more incident under CAAC brand name. B2514 a 737-200 was involved in mid-air collision with a J6 fighter.

Air China is simply using deceptive advertising. One there is no Air China in 1955. It's operated under the CAAC brand name. In regardless which bureau is running it is still part of the CAAC brand. Hence under that rule, Air china can't claim it has no accident in 47 years. Because it simply is not true.


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