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Boeing Or Airbus For Sas?  
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Posted (14 years 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

I've heard that SAS wants to a larger short/medium-haul aircraft to their fleet. They want something with a seating capacity of 150-180 pax. Which one will they choose? They have the B737-600, but it's too small. They have ordered both the A330-300 and the A340-300. So, will they order an Airbus or a Boeing? As I can see it, these are their options:

A320: 150 pax.
A321: 185 pax.

B737-800: 162-189 pax.
B737-900: 177-189 pax.
B757-200: 201-231 pax.

I think they'll go for one of the B737's or maybe the A321, although I'd rather see the B757 in SAS new colors.

What do you think? And hey - don't go starting a Boeing vs Airbus war again...

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User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (14 years 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

Tough call... I am going to guess that both will fight hard for the account...

My guess is in the end it will be the 737-700 or 737-800 not the 737-900 or 757-200 as both are a little bit large to try to fill year round on the routes they fly..

If not it would be the A319/320 but my money is on a long fight for both companies and loyalty to boeing in the end as SAS is buying the 737-600 and the maint and crew commonality will be a bigger benefit than the crew crossover between A318/319/320/321 and A330/340. Just a guess.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (14 years 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

Well, one thing is clear - both Boeing and Airbus will fight for the deal. And they are both very hot with SAS right now.

I don't think it'll be the B737-700. It's seating capacity is only 126-149 pax. They wanted something between 150-180. My stongest guess is the B737-800 (162-189 pax.) But if they are really smart, they should go for either the B737-900 (177-189) or B757-200 (201-231). Why? Then they can increase their routes especially down the Meditteranean area - Spain, Greece, Turkey, Egypt and so on. They'd make a shitload of money if they flew there more than they do now.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see.


User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (14 years 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

Doesn't SAS already have a pending order for 737-800...

Check http://www.boeing.com



User currently offlineCSA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

I have the info that SAS have ordered totally 57 737 NGs 41 is 737-600, and the other are 737-700and 737-800 so that info about larger planes must be about something in the size of 757 I think

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (14 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

True that... So I guess they won't break that Boeing streak and order the A321. That only leaves us with the B757. I really hope they are smart enough and order it. It'll look really good in their new c/s.

User currently offlineCSA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

That could give them possibilities to open new routes with thin demand, and llong distance, or what about GOT-SVG-EWR???? that would just be enough to make it for the 757-200ER.....

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (14 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

Yeah, you're right. The B757-200ER would give them lots of new routes. The route I want to see most of all is GOT-PMI. Any route to a vacation resort would result in a huge cash-flow for them.

User currently offlineJlb From Denmark, joined Nov 1999, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1613 times:

As I wrote in another post on this topic, I really can't see why SAS would order anything other than 737s for European work.
I think the question basically comes down to the expected role of these AC. Are they for the European trunk routes only or do they want to use them to supplement the 330/340s on long and medium range routes (eg. over the atlantic, middle east, India).
If its for the European trunk routes (mainly CPH-ARN, CPH-LHR, CPH-FRA, ARN-LHR) then the 739 should be the ideal AC, as these really do not need the extra range of the 757.
If they want to start up services to north Africa or middle East which they don't operate at the moment (apart from Tel Aviv (MD83)), I bet the 736 or 737 would do just fine.
However, the article in the Norwegian newspaper stated specifically that the new AC would be used for overcoming slot shortage at European airport. Hence, my guess would be the 739 or more 738s unless they get a really good deal on A321.


User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

They should go for the 737-900 or the 757-200.

Which a/c do you think will replace their md80's when that time come. I hope the 717 will replace the smalest.

My oppinion is that US A/c are the best for SAS

Tg 747-300 Norway



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User currently offlineJet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

When SAS were evaluating their new small aircraft MD thought they had it in the bag with the MD-95(717) Then SAS decicided they preferred the 737-600. Unless something drastic changes, they won't order the 717.

SAS refer to this fleet requirement as "Big Europe" and they are looking at the 737-900/757/A321 as far as I know.

My heart says the 757 but my head thinks the 737-900. They will only have a few of these aircraft, so it doesn't make sense to have a totally new fleet just for them (757/A321)

Also, why would SAS want go get involved in low-yield lesiure routes to places like PMI? With their high costs they would probably lose money!

Regards
James


User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

SAS does indeed have outstanding orders for both the 73G and 738, so expect the 739 to be next.

Boeing sure would have a tough time convincing SAS to buy the 717, considering they talked them out of purchasing it before when SAS became the launch customer for the 736!


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