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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

Hey,

Today I spoke with my teacher of chemistry and biology, and his brother-in-law, an ex-Sabena A330 pilot, will operate next week one of the first flights of Birdy Airlines.

He will fly as a passenger next week to Dakar, and come back as a pilot.

He said that at the moment, the A330 simulator works 24h/24h. to train the pilots as good as possible.

I have some additional questions about Birdy Airlines:

1) When will their three aircrafts arrive in Brussels?

2) Which are the regs of these aircrafts?

3) I read here somewhere some weeks ago that they will have a delay to get their AOC because 'Het Bestuur Der Luchtvaart' was too busy with the VG-Airlines case. Will they have their AOC next week? If not, when will they probably get it?

Finally, I want to wish all the pilots of Birdy Airlines all the luck with the new company, and I hope that they will have many happy flights  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Best regards,
Sabena 690

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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Hey all,

I read today an interesting article in 'De Financieel Economische Tijd'.

They gave some interesting remarks:

1) Already 32000 tickets have been sold for the African flights
2) SNBA hopes to be for the first time break-even in May
3) Next week, the first flights will depart. They hope to get their AOC in time. I thought that the first flight will be one to Conakry
4) Birdy broke a world record: the company was founded-operational in just 5 weeks (if they get their AOC intime!!!)
5) I found this very important: if the African flights are very profitable, SNBA will start to fly to the African routes than next year!! And not Birdy anymore. Can someone give more information on this?

Regards,
Sabena 690


User currently offlineLuchtzak From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

@ Sabena690

First flight will be to Kinshasa, all the Press is invited on that flight.

Thrust me I'm an insider!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

best regards
luchtzak


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Hey Luchtzak,

I must say that I expected that the first flight would be to Kinshasa (it is very symbolic), but in the newspaper, I read that the first flights were to Conakry,... They didn't mention Kinshasa.

I would love to be a journalist next week!! Big grin

Best regards,
Sabena 690


User currently offlineA320-Addict From Belgium, joined Apr 2001, 250 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Yep indeed, the first flight is next week to Kinshasa, very simbolic indeed.

I am sure pressclub will post us a nice trip-report.

It might get exciting at Brussels the coming months.
Sobelair has been taken over by Aldo Vastapan, and they are aiming for the African market as well....

I think everybody wants a piece of the cake .....

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Looking foreward to see them all flying


User currently offlineLuchtzak From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

First flight of SN Brussels Airlines to Africa will be the 26th of April, to Nairobi !!

Guess the 'Financieel Economische Tijd' and myself misunderstood something!

best regards
luchtzak


User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

That's really fast to have their first flight. And 32.000 tickets sold, that is a lot ! Way to go SNBA  Big thumbs up

Regards, SN-A330

P.S. a message for A320-Addict : could you mail me your email address ? Please send it to SN-A330@excite.com



I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

The yields are thos most important thing though.

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Hey Donder10,

Sabena always had a very high yield on the African problems, so I think that Birdy makes a chance.

Regards,
Sabena 690


User currently offlineAirbuspilot From Belgium, joined Apr 2000, 416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Could it be that times are finally changing???????

Birdy in the air, VG almost and today and yesterday two joboffers for A pilots as well as B737!!!!!

What is happening?


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Hey Airbuspilot,

From which compan(y)(ies) did these B737 and Airbus joboffers come?

Regards,
Sabena 690


User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

> Sabena always had a very high yield on the African problems

Sabena 690, did SN ever publish their yields? Perhaps they did in a professional magazine like Air Transport World,...

> yesterday two joboffers for A pilots as well as B737

Airbuspilot, did those job offers come from VEX or from SLR?

> if the African flights are very profitable,
> SNBA will start to fly to the African routes next year!!
> And not Birdy anymore.

Yes, if true, that would be quite remarkable.

From today's article in the FET one could understand that the contract between SNBA and Birdy is valid for only 1 year, or that SNBA has at least an option to finish the contract after one year.

What would happen to Birdy if SNBA, their sole customer for now, would not renew the contract after this one year? They would be left behind with 3 wide-body aircraft and 50 pilots, with hardly any other Belgian carrier to turn to for new contracts! I hope Mr Hasson & Gutelman have a back-up plan in case the cooperation with SNBA would come to a halt.

How long is Birdy's leasing contract for their A330's? 1 year?
How long is Birdy's contract with their 50 pilots? 1 year?



User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

I have the same questions, let come the answer guys Big grin

About the yield, this is published and confirmed by several people in the forum here.

Regards,
Sabena 690


User currently offlineAirbuspilot From Belgium, joined Apr 2000, 416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

No, check out the following links:

www.iacglobal.com
www.mach2000.fr
www.gulfairco.com

At least something is moving!


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

I read here somewhere some weeks ago that they will have a delay to get their AOC because 'Het Bestuur Der Luchtvaart' was too busy with the VG-Airlines case. Will they have their AOC next week? If not, when will they probably get it?

if the African flights are very profitable, SNBA will start to fly to the African routes than next year!! And not Birdy anymore

Who knows more??

Regards and thank you,
Sabena 690


User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

I read in Le Soir today that CEO Rob Kuijpers confirmed that there is still no AOC, however there were no comments as to a possible delay in getting it. The article paid more attention to the fact that the first flights to Kinshasa and other cities were already fully booked.

I saw in the Brussels Metro that Royal Air Maroc is advertising for flights to Dakar, Libreville, Banjul and various other West African cities via Casablanca. The fare Brussels-Dakar via Casablanca was 599 EUR, I believe.

Established02


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Hey Established02,

I hope that people will choose Birdy Airlines for those flights, and not AT.

Although, €599 is not expensive.

Regards,
Sabena 690


User currently offlineConvairman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Possibly the most stupid airline name that I have ever heard! This is what happens when people that can't speak English properly try to think up a clever English name......  Smile


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

@Convairman:

Do not forget that this name will not be on the aircrafts, except a small reference in front of the aircraft.
The aircrafts will be in full SNBA colours, so 'Birdy Airlines' is just a name for the administration.

Regards,
Sabena 690


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

>Possibly the most stupid airline name that I have ever > >heard!

Maybe this book was the inspiration?
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679734120/qid=1019241840/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_67_2/104-1882080-0457547

It's a good book, btw.

Regards,
NoUFO



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User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2511 times:

> Possibly the most stupid airline name that I have ever heard!
> This is what happens when people that can't speak English properly
> try to think up a clever English name......

Convairman, perhaps you -as a native English speaker- could elucidate a bit why this name would have been clumsy chosen.

To my knowledge, the media in Belgium never reported about the motivation behind choosing the name "Birdy".

Citybird was a nice name actually. What happened to the brand "Citybird"? Was it up for sale or is it unthinkable to use it again (cfr. Pan Am)?

Established02


User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Actually, SN's African yields were always pretty bad - they only looked good on paper. The reason for this is that fares sold in unconvertable local currency were generally very much higher than those sold in hard currency - and they were booked to Sabena at the official, rather than the real or black-market exchange rates.

The local currency was generally used to pay for expenses in those countries. For example, even though they did not fly there for a number of years, SN maintained a large presence in Burundi.

Sabena was the cheapest way to travel from South Africa to Europe - in any class. They common-rated all their European destinations, so it was the same fare to fly to any European city as it was to fly to Brussels.

Passengers were prepared to put up with Sabena's awful service for one reason and one reason only - they were the cheapest way to fly. The same reason that people flew Tower Air!

High yields? Don't make me laugh!!


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

Passengers were prepared to put up with Sabena's awful service for one reason and one reason only - they were the cheapest way to fly. The same reason that people flew Tower Air!

Comme on, what for rubbish is this. SAS23, I think that Ceilidh was a very good friend of you, or are you Ceilidh??? I am not the first one and certainly not the last one that will write this.
I am so fed up with answers like this, have you ever flown with Sabena?? Sabena had a great service, great aircrafts,... Like already mentioned here before: if you want to eat, go to a restaurant and do not buy a ticket to fly to somewhere. Sabena's service was very good, and all who denies this are people who just don't like Belgian aviation (Ceilidh-?Sas23?  Wink/being sarcastic), or people who are never happy with what they get.

I don't put time anymore in this, the topic was about Birdy Airlines and not about the service of Sabena!!!

Sabena 690


User currently offlineLuchtzak From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Hey Sabena690,

give SAS23 a break, he keeps on messing with this forum putting stupid and irrelevant messages.



greetings


User currently offlineSab12 From Belgium, joined Sep 2001, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

sas23 or ceilidh,

Come with something new and don't start you old b'shit again, we know how you feel about Belgians and I know it is not going to change



25 OO-AOG : SAS23 Passengers were prepared to put up with Sabena's awful service for one reason and one reason only - they were the cheapest way to fly. Well I fl
26 SAS23 : I flew with SN many, many times. The catering was good (ex BRU anyway), but the customer service stank - and that's something that many people have co
27 Sabena 690 : Let's face it - if SN had provided a premium, quality service then they would have charged premium, quality fares. They didn't. People flew on them be
28 Luchtzak : As I just said, comments from sas23 don't make sence!! regards
29 SAS23 : Sabena 690 - I was answering your question!! Good grief!!
30 Swake : about the name Birdy. I'm not a nessie and yes, it sounds stupid. Was this name chosen by people that can't speak English properly? (shouldn't this be
31 Sabena 690 : Hey Swake, The name of the companie is not important here!! It is just for the administration!! Everything will go via SNBA. The aircrafts will be pai
32 SAS23 : Sabena 690 - You obviously know nothing about airline economics, so I'll make it simple for you. Just because an aircraft is flying full does not nece
33 Sabena 690 : SAS23, this was not my question. I know very good what 'high yield' means. And I know how the system works, also without your example. My question was
34 Post contains images Luchtzak : For the last time : SAS23 comments don't make sense in this topic !
35 SAS23 : Not only do you have a really bad memory for questions you asked, but your command of English is pretty awful as well. "If the African flights are ver
36 Post contains images Sabena 690 : SAS23, Question was if this is true!! Is SNBA going to take over the African destinations if they are rendable!! Thanks for destroying this whole thre
37 Post contains images Spitfire : Hi Ceilidh, Again in trouble with Belgian people? And NOW they are NOT your OLD Sabena friends....I will not add anything more. Very kind regards. Spi
38 Post contains images SAS23 : Hi Spitfire - Ah well, c'est la vie! Actually, I'm spending a great deal of time in Belgium at the moment - mainly in Antwerpen and of course Oostende
39 Post contains images Sabena 690 : If the African flights are very profitable, SNBA will start to fly to the African routes than next year!! And not Birdy anymore. Can anyone confirm th
40 Flying Belgian : Hello to you all, I closely follow the BIRDY case for the moment. It's difficult to imagine that they're strating up next friday... The training has w
41 Luchtzak : @ Flying Belgian One is scheduled next monday, the other one on next wednesday. best regards
42 Luchtzak : 1st : 22APR BOD-BRU BDY330 – BOD 1000Z – 1130Z BRU OOSFN 2nd : 24APR BOD-BRU BDY330 – BOD 1000Z – 1130Z BRU OOSFO better schedule
43 Post contains images Flying Belgian : @ Luchtzak: Thanks for your info !!! I'm very glad to see big birds with SN Brussels Airlines titles !!! FB.
44 Swake : some blokes over here really are touchy...
45 Post contains links and images Luchtzak : @ Flying Belgian I was wondering what your real name is .... If you want, leave it behind on http://www.luchtzak.be if you dare best regards
46 Post contains images SAS23 : Flying Belgian - Sept 11 is what happened to the plans, as I said long ago. Working on other things now, though!
47 Post contains images Sabena 690 : LOL @ Flying Belgian @Luchtzak: Thx for the info about the arrival of the A333's of Birdy @Ceilidh: It seems that you know as much of starting up an a
48 Sheepster : I thought you were banned Ceilidh? Remeber when you were using this handle, and claiming you weren't Robertson? Still trying to steal our spares in GS
49 Post contains images SAS23 : Sheepster - you're a sick puppy. In fact, so sick I understand that you were unconscious at the controls of an aircraft - resulting in your having to
50 Post contains images Sabena 690 : @Ceilidh: Again, you seem to know nothing of the whole thing, and again you are in trouble with lot's of people here. I hope that right decisions will
51 Luchtzak : Maybe after one year SN BA can do a buyout on Birdy. At the other hand, you now have SN BA and Birdy, maybe if you remembered the relations between Sa
52 Sterne82 : Sabena 690, I do not know if SNBA will take them or not, but we do not have to forget, that if SNBA do not have enough money to take A32X, how the hel
53 Post contains images Sabena 690 : @Luchtzak and Sterne82: Thanks for your replies guys Benjamin, you have a point when you say that they even don't have money for some A32X aircrafts.
54 Luchtzak : @ Sabena690 Contracts excist so they can be broken ! So if there is more money to win operating A320/737 I don 't see any problemos! best regards
55 Flying Belgian : VEX contact were one of the reasons of SABENA's huge difficulties. Those contracts were a big mistake. I fear it could be the same for SNBA. They have
56 Sterne82 : Contracts exist, and they, indeed, can be broken... But I'm sure that VEX have "bétonné" the contract to win lots of money if the contract is broken
57 Established02 : At the time of signing, the contract between SNBA and VEX must have appeared to be mutually beneficial. It's quite pityful if SNBA would have to regre
58 Sabena 690 : Hey Established02, When checking the African and European flights, I noticed the same!! The problem that SNBA now has, is that the ex Sabena slots the
59 Kenny : @Sabena 690 Oh, that changes the situation, I thought the Birdy flights were already full booked?
60 Sabena 690 : Hey Kenny: The first flight to Nairobi is sold out, the second to Kinshasa almost (but on the Kinshasa flight are lot's of journalists). About the fre
61 Post contains images Kenny : @Sabena 690 If someone checked the reservation system, it should be correct I hope Birdy makes it, together with SNBA. Greetz, Kenny
62 Post contains links Sabena 690 : Hey Guys, Some interesting things about Birdy Airlines: 1) The average price of the 32000 sold tickets is between €750 and €900 2) It seem
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