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User currently offlineJer32382 From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 34 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

I was readinng through some posts on another forum and I came across a psot in which a Delta 757/767 captain said there was rumor that Delta could possibly be getting the A340-500 for "ultra long haul" routes. However, with Delta's earnings announcement is this just a dream now? Interested to hear some people shed some light on this.

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User currently offlineCaptainAD From United States of America, joined May 2001, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

Delta has a contract with Boeing... they will NOT be getting any Airbus aircraft... glad to see that an American airline (gasp) supports American industry

User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

Delta has a contract with Boeing, but no exclusive agreement. Boeing undid that clause due to threats from the EU. Delta is not particularly happy with service from Boeing at the moment, and the 767-400's are already showing significant stress on the wings.

Anything could happen.


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

Perhaps all European airlines should do the same and support European industry, like for example AF, BA, SAS, LH, AZ, Ryanair, Easyjet, KLM and so on.


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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

The rumor has been floated here and there but common sense dictates that the B777-200LR is the better choice. There are all kinds of rumors that spread like wildfire. Only a tiny percentage ever turn out to be true. Remember that.

Ordering an Airbus product would cause something of a rift in the relationship between Delta and Boeing, and as it is, the relationship between Delta and Airbus is for the most part nonexistent.

Delta has been looking at the B777-200LR and I suspect that when the time comes for a decision to be made on any ultra longhaul aircraft for the airline, the B777 derivatives will be the choice.

I don't think Delta really can justify more than 10, maybe as many as 14 or 15 B777-200LRs. The -232ER currently operated by Delta is the heaviest version of the 772ER available and can fly up to 7600 nautical miles nonstop (usually about 7200 with typical mission rules), which is more than enough for any existing route in the Delta system, as well as some significant expansion, such as JFK-DXB nonstop, JFK-BOM nonstop, and JFK-NRT nonstop.

Routes such as ATL-HKG, ATL-BOM, ATL-JNB, which start to get to the point where the 772ER will be taking weight restrictions, are routes where a 772LR might be a good choice.



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Yeah, I would rather do think about that with B777-200LR will be longer-range nonstop from ATL-HKG, ATL-PEK, ATL-CPT-JNB, ATL-BOM, and anywhere will do with an nonstop on the flight and however, how about Delta will be fly new nonstop to SYD?!?! Any clue?? Thanks!

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

ATL-SYD is 9285 miles great-circle.I dont even the 772LR could do that nonstop especially Westbound.I can see DL ordering 6-8 772LRs down the line 8,but not till the 'economic recovery' is more substantiated.

User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

Jrlander:
"767-400's are already showing significant stress on the wings"

were did you get that from, could you explain sor show proff that delta actually said that it was anoid with boeing and had problems with the 767-400, if so, why doesnt continental, witch uses it on longer routs have any problems, I find your post hard to believe.


User currently offlineMikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

Luisca....you beat me to the punch!

User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Ordering an Airbus product would cause something of a rift in the relationship between Delta and Boeing,

What could Boeing do about it? Threaten to not offer such good deals in the future? That would drive Delta more toward Airbus.

and as it is, the relationship between Delta and Airbus is for the most part nonexistent.

I'm sure Airbus would love to remedy that.


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

Will seen about one-stop from ATL-DFW-SYD flight on B777-200LR flight and it should be do that as for passengers and else about want to do something as for the good Delta flight will get an new nonstop as for longer-range flight. I think rumors as for you guys will be had to fly on the new routes from ATL-TLV, ATL-SVO, CVG-NRT, CVG-PEK flight. Are you planning will got an good idea as for the people. Thanks!

User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

ScottysAir, would you please restate that in English? Thank you.

User currently offlineBWIrwy4 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Areopagus, would you please see this thread? Thank you.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/208305/4/


User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2692 times:

OK, I've read it. I have compassion for you. But I still can't understand what you wrote. If that's OK with you, it's OK with me.

User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2229 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2626 times:

Hey Gerardo, the European airlines already support Airbus ten times more than their American counterparts support Boeing. Want the proof, check the numbers of frames each has sold to the opposite continent over the past ten years. You must be joking. Americans may be more obvious in their political interference, but the Europeans are the undisputed masters of that particular game.

User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2607 times:

Wingman, I'd love to see some numbers on that!



User currently offlineDragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Actually I heard that Deltas gonna go with the Cessna 152 for the ultra long haul routes... Wink/being sarcastic

--dragogoalie-#88--



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User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Wingman, don't turn this into an A vs. B war. However, I would have to agree with Staffan in saying where are the "numbers" that you have.?

Also, carriers don't primarily go for Boeing because they are American, or Airbus because they are European, they go one way or the other because of cost!

The bottom line is that cost matters more to the airlines than almost anything else. It's the same reason why I'll buy an import car if the cost is low enough. I perfer American cars but I would buy an import in a second if it was cheap enough.

Take Care,
National_757


User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

>the European airlines already support Airbus ten times
>more than their American counterparts support Boeing

Wingman, add me to the crowd of people who would like to see you back up your claim with hard facts.

Unless you are at a NW or UA hub, seeing an Airbus aircraft in most US aiports is a relative rarity. Not so for Boeing in Europe.


User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

Before September 11th DAL was looking at the best long-range airplane for the future. Something that could fill some very long routes. Fred Reid, DAL's #2 man, mentioned the Airbus 340 as a possible fit along with the Sonic Criuser, 777 and a long range 747 type. Even then nothing was going to happen soon. Now (after 9-11) it will not happen at all. DAL will not add capacity until the industry consolidates, until DAL is very protfitable and can project future profits. In other words, DAL will not be buying Airbus or Boeing in the forseeable future.

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

not to be arguing against your point, but at an us airways hub you see nothing but airbus

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6287 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

I also await an explanation about the "significant" stress on the 767-400 wings.

But. The 767-400 is not an ultra long range aircraft by any stretch of the imagination. In regards to that issue, I doubt that DL has need for a 8000 nm range aircraft. For that matter, I doubt that any airline does. ATL-SYD/JNB/HKG etc are just too long to make sense. Just my opinion though.

I figure any flight longer than 6 hours is too damn long to be stuck in a dry, stuffy airplane. I'll take the stops where I can get off the airplane and look around a little.



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

If Boeing does not get some new products with new technology they will see more and more carriers going Airbus.

As for the 764, is that true ?. I know its selling bad but could that be a reason ?


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

This is definitely an exercise in futility given both DL's current economic state and DL's route structure. I don't see that DL (at least in the next 20years) will have any great need for a large fleet of 777's. They currently have 8 and will only take enough to replace the MD11's.

Most of DL's international routes cannot support a 777. Of course, LHR access would necessitate ordering a few more but overall I expect DL's 777 fleet to remain quite small. DL currently has the smallest 777 of the four US carriers that operate the 777 and I expect it will remain that way for a while.

As for long range 777's, I'm not sure what routes DL would use them on. ATL-JNB is better served by SAA, ATL-HKG doesn't really have enough demand, ATL-SYD definitely doesn't have enough demand.


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Delta will not buy Airbus planes. They have a contract with Boeing and for the ultra longhaul the best option is the Boeing 777-200LR.

RJ_Delta.


25 Dazed767 : Scottysair is hard of hearing, and speaks in ASL (if you havent' seen many of the other posts about it). I just can't see DL going airbus again after
26 DeltaSFO : This is definitely an exercise in futility given both DL's current economic state and DL's route structure. I don't see that DL (at least in the next
27 HlywdCatft : What relationship does Delta have with Airbus? The only Airbus's that Delta ever owned were second hand A310s from Pan Am that they disposed of within
28 KevOC3 : While Delta did post a large first quarter loss, they did post a profit in March (who knows how much). That is a good sign though. Things are returnin
29 Sterne82 : "Buy airplanes from a company that is not subsidized but the government" No comments, the end of your post is too ridiculous to be taken seriously...
30 RayChuang : I seriously doubt DL will buy the A340-500. The reason is simple: it would be too costly in terms of maintainance and crew training, given that the pl
31 T prop : James Lander, Where are you getting this kind of info about the 764's wings? What do you mean by "and the 767-400's are already showing significant st
32 Delta737 : Oh no, not again! Delta, as far as I know as an employee is NOT buying the Airbus. Airbus will occasionally send representatives out to Atlanta to sel
33 Udo : Wingman, I also would like to see some facts or figures. But I fear you cannot provide them simply because your statement is just not true... By the w
34 Joni : The 772LR program was recently pushed back, and Airbus is looking at snatching the only customer. So, it's by no means certain the 772LR will fly. Th
35 Post contains links and images Keesje : IMO : Delta has a very large fleet of 767 operating on the Atlantic. They are not exactly up to date & won't fly forever. They will have to start repl
36 Jrlander : T prop: I do not work for Delta, though I am a big fan of the airline. A close, close friend of mine works for Delta Tech Ops, and has shared his and
37 Fsuwxman : hmmm...I wonder what an A340-500 would look like in the Deltaflot livery...
38 KAUSpilot : I doubt delta will take any airbus in the near future, but it would be interesting if it happened.
39 Luisca : Honestly "Jrlander" I think that your post is BS and that you are making up a story to cover for your first post. next time you post in airliners.net
40 DeltaSFO : The 772LR program was recently pushed back, and Airbus is looking at snatching the only customer. So, it's by no means certain the 772LR will fly. The
41 Jrlander : Luisca: I'm sorry that you felt that my first post was "BS". You don't have to believe me. However, please don't assume things about me. I am well awa
42 Luisca : no hard fellings, I just find it hard to belive that boeing would not try to keep their relationship with delta extremely good. sorry if I made you fe
43 TEDSKI : I think that Delta will stick to ordering more new 777-200ERs with RR Trent 800s instead of the GE90 777-200LR to save money on spare parts.
44 TransSwede : Delta can't even seem to keep their current and on order 772ER's busy (they tried to defer deliveries and lease to SAA), so I don't see them ordering
45 Redngold : Going back to "Boeing loyalty".... What about Continental Airlines? They're flying almost all Boeing aircraft now, with the exception of an aging grou
46 2cn : TransSwede- they are keeping their current 777s busy. If I remember what was said at the time, they wanted to defer the orders due to economical reaso
47 Wingman : No time to do the exact numbers, but simply adding the numbers from UA, AW, NW, JB, US, Fedex, UPS etc., the trend to me indicates that US airlines bu
48 MD88Captain : Actually I've heard exactly what JRLander has posted. That is that DAL in very unhappy with the recent "nickel and diming" that BA has been doing on p
49 FlyPNS1 : I wish I was as optimistic about DL's future int'l growth as you are, DeltaSFO. However, I'm not. DL does NOT expect to be profitable in Qtr 2. Here's
50 Udo : Wingman, adding just the numbers of Airbus planes in the US doesn not work. And only mentioning some large airlines in Europe does not make it better.
51 Donder10 : Wingman-BA,KLM,Turkish,EasyJet,LH,AF,Ryanair and others etc all have a lot of Boeing or its a high % of their fleet.AF is a good example of this as it
52 RogueTrader : Udo, We don't like facts and figures on this forum. We prefer unsubstantiated rumors and opinions. From now on, kindly say things that have no basis i
53 Donder10 : - Lufthansa: 29 B744 in service, new ones just ordered. Large MD-11F order instead of Airbus freighters And Lufty wanted even more of the 11s!
54 National_757 : Ha, funny RogueTrader but seriously, Udo, that was one heck of a post. Way to respond to Wingman and thanks for the great information. Take Care, Nati
55 JAL : Didn't Delta said that they will buy only Boeing aircraft?
56 Post contains images Staffan : JAL, airlines "say" things all the time, they might even turn around and say they are going for airbus just to squeeze a better deal out of boeing. Ro
57 RayChuang : Speaking of AF, I would not be surprised at all that fairly soon we may not see the A340-300 fly to the USA at all--it'll be either 747-400 or 777-200
58 Srbmod : Delta has looked at Airbus products in the last few years as replacements for older aircraft. The A330 was being considered as the replacement for the
59 Post contains images Delta737 : Strange how I give the straight story, but the debate continues! Doug Taylor jetcareers.com
60 Staffan : So because Delta hasn't shown any interest in Airbus in the past, it means that they won't have any interest in its new versions the future either?? H
61 Udo : People, please look at my newest post (Airbus in the US, Boeing in the EU). I have some information on aircraft operating/ordered in the US vs the EU.
62 Widebody : You seem very confident of your story Delta737, can your job with Delta allow you to know that Delta is definitely not in substantial talks with Airbu
63 Ptica2000 : Donder 10, can you tell me when has LH ordered 747 for the last time. They were erdering 747 because there was no other such plane. A340 is too small,
64 Konstantinos : Boeing or Airbus ? It's the same to me. They both use the same engines. Now who is better ? I think Airbus is better, cause you have a choice! The Eur
65 Delta737 : Widebody- Yup. Pilots are the most gossipy group of employees on earth. We're worse than 15 year olds the night before the prom. Every once in a while
66 DeltaSFO : I'm not denying DL will need some 777's. They'll definitely need 15 to replace the MD11 plus maybe five more for growth. That would be 20+8 which woul
67 Donder10 : The 777 can support many markets, but is hampered by range Completely not true!The highest weight version of the 777 which Delta owns, has some crazy
68 Matt767 : "Delta has a very large fleet of 767 operating on the Atlantic. They are not exactly up to date & won't fly forever. They will have to start replacing
69 ScottysAir : I agree with DeltaSFO!! That is mean he is right about know with aircraft on the B777-200LR with nonstop from ATL-HKG and ATL-LAX-SYD flight on 7,300
70 DatamanA340 : Won't be sure for last minute, but I'd like to see DL Airbus. Udo: Thanks for that reply.
71 Donder10 : Wouldnt the 333 have been better for DLs 777 network?
72 The Coachman : Nope. The BusinessElite seats they have in the B777 are really roomy with the added width of the B777. Althought it may have made sense economically,
73 ScottysAir : Yeah, that is correct!! This is award winning on the business elite class on the 777 aircraft and 767, MD-11 aircraft. This is very best with an more
74 Donder10 : I have no idea on the size of Delta's Pacific operations or planned ones, however the 777 is ideal for these sort of routes.Also the 772 is quicker th
75 Rj777 : While we're at it, anybody want to imagine any airbus in DL colors?
76 Mikeymike : Before 9/11 the 777 intended to fly Trans-Pac ops. Once DL gets three 777's modified with the overhead crew rest, the 777 will replace the MD-11 on th
77 Post contains links and images 2cn : Heres one in their old colors... Click for large versionPhoto © Frank Schaefer
78 Donder10 : On another note,why do AF hate RR?
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