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Tampa Cessna Crash Caused By Acne Medication?  
User currently offlineB744 From New Zealand, joined Dec 1999, 491 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

Just saw an interesting snippet on CNBC Asia - the family of Charles Bishop (the Airliners.net member who crashed his Cessna into a building in Tampa, see
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/698562 ) are suing the manufacturer of an acne drug because they believe this drug affected his mental state, and was the cause of his suicide.

Well, how about that.


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User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

I'm sorry but this is just sick........

User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

at least they're only seeking $15000 from Roche, the drug company...

All 8 pages of the original court papers can be viewed here:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/bishopsuit1.html


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

With parents like that, no wonder the kid was messed up. Acne drug affects his mental state? I see.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

It says its a $70 mil court case.So, is that $69.985 mil to the lawyers and .015 to the family if they win ?  Yeah sure

User currently offlineDesert_Dweller From Canada, joined Apr 2002, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

the press just didnt want to say that some americans believe that ossama bin laden is right, so instead they blame it on medecine.

User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

I wouldn't write the theory off..

Tearful parents tell inquest of medication link to suicide

17.04.2002
By MARTIN JOHNSTON health reporter
The family of a teenager who committed suicide while taking a common acne drug believe it contributed to his mental state. Hugo Wilkinson, an Auckland University engineering student, took his life in June 2000 when he was 19.

He had been taking isotretinoin capsules, sold as Roaccutane and Oratane, for about three months for severe acne.

His parents, Henrietta and John Wilkinson, are now calling for the Ministry of Health to ban the drug, at present taken by 5000 New Zealanders, or strengthen patient warnings about possible side-effects.

The Remuera couple broke down in tears as they described Hugo's death to Auckland coroner Sarn Herdson.

Ms Herdson yesterday reserved her decision after a two-day inquest.

She took the unusual step of agreeing to a Herald request to report the case, after the family indicated they wanted the hearings public.

But Ms Herdson suppressed details about the manner of death, to avoid copy-cat suicides; and the name of the specialist who prescribed the drug to Hugo.

Isotretinoin's alleged link to suicide is the subject of international scientific debate.

Roche, the pharmaceutical company which developed the drug, derived from vitamin A, says no causal link has been established to psychiatric events.

Roche Products NZ's pharma business manager, Stuart Knight, told the Herald that patients with a severe form of acne had benefited from isotretinoin's "unique efficacy" since it was first sold in 1982.

"Roche has employed a comprehensive post-marketing risk assessment and management strategy to ensure that Roaccutane is used safely and appropriately."

Since 1982, about 12 million patients worldwide, including more than 100,000 in New Zealand, had taken the drug.

But the Wilkinsons' lawyer, Stuart Grieve, QC, indicated to the inquest that the US Food and Drug Administration had criticised a key study Roche relied on.

Auckland Hospital psychiatrist Dr Ian Goodwin, an expert witness called by the coroner, said no independent study had substantiated claims of either side of the debate.

"An identical debate could be entered into over the strength of the evidence that acne, by and of itself, causes depression."

Dr Goodwin, who reviewed Hugo's case, said the teenager had used cannabis occasionally, but there was no history of drug dependence or ideas of suicide.

Roaccutane or cannabis could have been a factor in his mental problems, but there was no evidence that either was a cause.

Last year, ministry-approved patient leaflets from Roche added "suicidal thoughts or tendencies" to the list of health problems patients should tell their doctor about before using the drug.


Studies have found that the drug is associated with severe depression in fewer than 1 per cent of patients, and to mild depression in up to 10 per cent.

Hugo's parents said that on June 16, 2000 - only hours before he died - an appointment was made through the family's GP for him to see a psychiatrist the following week.

Mr and Mrs Wilkinson had become worried about Hugo's mental state after he started taking Roaccutane.

"From that time on, Hugo changed from being a normal, healthy 19-year-old teenager to a withdrawn, introverted and paranoid young man," his father said.

He became slow to answer questions, left his bedroom curtains closed and thought people were watching him.

Hugo was bright, having won an A Bursary in his sixth-form year at Auckland Grammar School, and was a keen rugby player. Before his death he had tidied his room and made his bed.

As Mr Wilkinson went out to watch the All Blacks play that evening, he noticed Hugo had opened his curtains. "As I walked past his window, Hugo waved back and smiled."

That was the last time he saw his son alive.




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User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2148 times:

Weird.

Desert_dweller, what are you talking about? Americans think UBL was right? Where'd that come from. No one thinks he was right other than Saddam and some disgusting Palestinians caught on BBC dancing in Ramallah.


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2141 times:

"the press just didnt want to say that some americans believe that ossama bin laden is right, so instead they blame it on medecine"

The press is not the one suing the medicine company, that's not the way it works buddy.

As for Bishop, he was obviously mentally ill, any idiot can see that from reading his suicide note. He's as much of an OBL supporter as George Bush is. I'm sure there are some Americans that believe that OBL is right, sure as hell there are a whole bunch of Canadians who do...  Insane

There are many people, especially teenagers who take this kind of acne medicine, I know some myself, but they don't seem to commit suicide, or be depressed or act unusually in any way. Perhaps blaming teen suicide on drugs is wishful thinking on the part of the parents...  Sad

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2137 times:

Parents like these are lumped, in my opinion, in the same bowl as the Columbine parents--ignorant, choosing to turn their backs on "little" issues hoping that they will go away.

I just saw the interview on the Today show. It came out that Charles' parents both had attemped suicide (together) as young adults. Charles' mother brushed that little episode off as "we were alcohol and drug abusers"--as if it was nothing more than the common cold.

When kids get raised in messed up environments, they wind up messed up!


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2126 times:

Desert_dweller, what are you talking about? Americans think UBL was right? Where'd that come from. No one thinks he was right other than Saddam and some disgusting Palestinians caught on BBC dancing in Ramallah.


He's talking about this kid! He support bin Laden, however misguided that was.


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2111 times:

It is sad that an otherwise seemingly bright kid had to end up the way he did. We don't really know what sort of environment he was brought up in, but it is sad nonetheless. The parents are just after the money right now, and it's as simple as that. Maybe the state of Florida should sue them for not properly raising their son!

I know that sounds harsh, I have no idea how the child was raised, but the end result was sad to say the least. But my point is, it would be just as pathetic for the state, or the building owner, or the aircraft owner to sue these parents for not controlling their son, as it is for these parents to sue the drug company for their son's suicide.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2107 times:

Sad to say, there are a lot of idiot parents out there. Three cases in point:

--The Tampa Kid's

--The Walker/Lindhs

--Columbine kids'

Instead of blaming other entities (which all three cases above have done), these parents ought to just keep their mouths shut and accept the blame where it lies. With them.

BTW, any class of medical will ask which medication one is taking. I would be willing to bet, Charles declared that he was taking Accutane. Next we'll be blaming his AME for signing off his medical too.


User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

I have always said that children are a reflection of the quality of parenting delivered by their guardians.

Children, especially in formative years, are imitators, and the subjects that they choose to imitate are the ones they spend an extended period in close contact with. Fitting that description to a T are in most cases the parents, and even if they don't realize it (or want to realize it), kids subconsciously desire to be like their parents, however twisted or immature the parental units are. Learning by example is one of the most influential forms of education, and one of the first comprehensible types that young children are acquainted with. What one learns in those young years makes a lasting impression, and if a bad example is ingrained, the natural tendency will be to return to your original behavior in times of adversity.

I have stressed this with three children, and from what I can see, they have learned well. You always must question the maturity level of parents in that situation.

(What I just wrote is probably kind of confusing, so excuse any run-ons, I just got in from a marathon day!)


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5490 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

I was on acutane....and I'm more screwed up than ever!  Nuts

User currently offlineDragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

It pisses me off whenever I see anyone showing support for OBL. He has directly/indirectly killed so many people in the past. It doesn't matter what nationality they are, people are people. If you kill someone else, you are f**ked in the head. How can you agree with someone who killed thousands of innocent people. How would you like it if someone flew a plane into the building where some of your family members work?

--dragogoalie-#88--



Formerly known as Jap. Srsly. AUSTRALIA: 2 days!
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

And if you want to see this numbskulls scuicide note it is here http://www.thesmokinggun.com


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
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