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CSA Goes For 767-400  
User currently offlineCSA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

I heard today from an unconfirmed yet source at the Czech Airlines CSA is going to announce the order of 3 Boeing 767-400 soon.¨¨

That would mean CSA is going ALL-BOEING....

Comments on that please....

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User currently offlineVH-OJO From Slovakia, joined Jan 2000, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (14 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

I think it is the most logical choice for them. I know they were not too happy with their two A310s alhough it must be said that they were significantly overutilized. It is definitely time for them to upgrade their long-haul fleet if they want to remain competitive. In any case an A330 would have looked great in their colors, but I knew they would go for Boeing. There is simply too much political pressure (Czechs entering NATO and all) to buy from an American manufacturer.

p.s. Do you know the approximate delivery dates ?

User currently offlineCSA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

Well I agree with your point, there is a political pressure going for an ALL-Boeing fleet, about the delivery dates I will try to find out tonight or tomorrow.

User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 1312 times:
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NATO? NATO is as much European as it is American. Infact most NATO operations are IN Europe.


User currently offlineGoA340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

They are going for Boeing because they already started to transform their fleet with 737s. There are no American pressure from NATO, that is nonsense as Sammyk pointed out. If there would be any pressure it would be from the European Union, that they want to join!

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (14 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

As much as I would like to have seen them go for the A330-200, I think the 767 will serve them well. I don't think it's that fair to say they weren't pleased with the A310s; from what I have heard, the type served it well and besides which, I don't think an airline that spent years flying IL62s - from which you got about 5 hours a day if you were lucky - is in much of a position to be unhappy about getting 15 from an A310! Still, the question is, what will they do with the third 764 - new routes? Expanded frequencies, the odd trip to London (a very busy route, now also served by BA 767s)?

User currently offlineReader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

The information in the original post is simply untrue. As much as I would love to see CSA get 764 or A332, they simply can't afford them yet. Yes, there were discussions about CSA leasing 1 or 2 Air Transat's 330-200, or even leasing 1 additional 310-300 from Interflug ( which does not exist anymore), but nothing came out of both discussions. Keep in mind that CSA is still paying for their 2 A310-300. ONLY AFTER those 2 aircrafts are paid for, then there might be a change. In my opinion, they would get rid of the Airbuses, and go for 767-300ER.....I see 767-400 as too expensive, and too hard to fill with pax.

VIVA CSA & (S)iberia

Those are my 2 cents

User currently offlinePandora From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

well, i'm glad that CSA had compare some hardcore evidence to prove that there are just some Boeing planes better than Airbus.

way to tgo boeing!!!

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (14 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

It sure will be nice to see their brand new 767-400s at EWR during the early evenings. OK-WAA and OK-WAB are constant or daily visitors. This orders news is also being reported elsewhere so it seems valid.

"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineVH-OJO From Slovakia, joined Jan 2000, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (14 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

In case of CSA it is not about Boeing being better than Airbus, or vice-versa. As I implied in my earlier post on this subject, when you are talking about a multibillion dollar industry then your decisions are often made under political pressure.

Especially with the smaller carriers who are faced with a situation in which both options
(e.g. 764 vs. 330 in this case) are rather comparable and similar in terms of performance, payload etc. How do you decide for one or the other, particularly when you are not 100 percent privately owned, and the majority of your shareholders are institutions directly dependent on the government ? It is the behind-the-scenes arrangements that decide these types of deals.

We have seen this over and over again. When China received a favourite nation status, after president Clinton´s visit there, China placed an unprecedented order with Boeing. Saudia did the same thing following the Gulf War. The list may go on and on.

It will be interesting to see the situation that will develop with El Al. I know they have a very sweet offer from Airbus, but this has put them in a very ackward position, because the pressure is to buy from Boeing. After all Israel gets a lot of financial support from the U.S. I do not know why, but I bet they will go with Boeing.

I know this an aviation, not a political forum, that is why I do not want to get into too much discussion about NATO and such. But my point is that it would be naive to think that these aspects have no influence over airlines´ decision. In case of CSA it is quite clear.

User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (14 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

CSA is still paying for the 310s because they are leased. Obviously, a small carrier does not own outright all of its aircraft. A similar arrangement financial lease is arranged through manufacturers for most airlines. This has been reported in 2 other very reputable places. I think we will indeed see these Eastern European 764.

User currently offlineCALPilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 998 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (14 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

I think we will all see the B767-400, become a big seller. I know I am looking foward to flying the airplane more than any in my career...

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