United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9222 posts, RR: 14 Posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2776 times:
I understand that Qantas no longer fly to SFO. However, I heard that they used to........
When did they pull out of SFO? Before they actually pulled out of SFO, they used to fly the B 747-400 into SFO I suppose. Right?
Will they resume service to SFO anytime soon? If yes, I suppose they will find a codeshare partner.
There is indeed a market for SFO-SYD/MEL. They can connect millions and millions of Australians into SFO, as well as Millions and Millions of people from SFO to Australia. Although you may argue that QF already flies to LAX.
777D From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2654 times:
I believe they pulled out of SFO in the mid 90's??
I remember one time seeing a 767 Qantas at SFO when I was living in San Bruno just next to the airport. I thought I would see a 747 from Qantas, but it was a 767. I am not sure but I believe that Qantas flew SYD-LAX-SFO??
UAL already flies SFO-SYD or have they discontinued that service?
Perhaps AMR could open up SJC-SYD and code-share with Qantas on this route. Does the 777 for AMR have the range? The San Jose area as well as the East Bay, this could be a excellent route for AMR. The silicon valley survivors regaining some glory, could be a good time to introduce a route for Qantas/AMR from SJC-AMR.
AJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2400 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2553 times:
As GuyBetsy stated, the codeshare arrangements ex-LAX cover the numbers.
SFO formed an important part in trans-pacific operations for Qantas, culminating in the SYD-SFO non-stop QF3, flown by a B747-38SP. (SYD-SFO is actually shorter than SYD-LAX!)
The last services were operated by a 767-338ER via HNL and LAX.
Hawkeye2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2541 times:
QANTAS is unlikely to ever return to SFO. They got creamed once UA started SFO-SYD service; after all, SFO is UA's home turf. The dom-com implosion and general economic downturn in the Bay Area doesn't help either.
Planenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2511 times:
Qantas used to have its North American headquarters in San Francisco up until 1991. They masterleased a building located at 360 Post Street, facing Union Square, where thay had management, sales, marketing, and their North American call center.
Unfortunately, when property prices shot up in SF in the early 90's they decided to move their entire operation to Tucson, AZ!
There service to SFO was rudamentery at best. Sometimes a 767, sometimes a 747. The service wasn't daily, and British Airways did all of their handling.
Qantas still maintains staff at SFO for the AA codeshares to LAX. In fact, until very recently, AA maintained a seperate check-in line at their ticket counter for Qantas passengers (a Qantas sign hung above the position, and the same woman, wearing a Qantas uniform, would assist people).
Gardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2441 times:
United AIrlines is indeed the only US airline into Australia (im not taking into account AA codeshares).
Also, it just came to my mind, Continental Micronesia fly to Cairns , however I dont think you could class them strictly as a US airline, right? But I take it their aircraft are all US registered, right?
Delta, TWA, US Airways, America West etc have never been this way.
IndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3087 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2431 times:
I also agree that QF will not return to SFO, maybe Australian Airlines might though....
The market there is alreday taken up by UA with there connections to that hub too it wouldnt make sense to enter that field.
QF is struggling internationally though imo, as they dont have many international destinations anymore.
Heres the list of remaining QF operated desinations:
* Hong Kong
Papua New Guinea
* Mort Moresby
* London LHR
* Los Angeles
* New York
* DFW ( coming soon )
Mumbai , india will be discontinued
Argentina service will be discontinued, replaced by Lan Chile codeshare to Santiago
sorry if I have missed any
Not a huge list for a international carrier and flag carrier for Australia imo. They have lost many opportunites to become a pwerful force for travel into Australia, but these have now gone to other Asian carriers.
Hers the list of cities once served by Qantas planes:
* San Fransisco
* Port Vila
* Kuala Lumpur
* Manchester ?
Docpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2418 times:
You mean Qantas only serves 18 international destinations (of which 4 are in New Zealand) And they don't fly to the capital of their closest neighbour, Indonesia? I never knew they discontinued their Jakarta service.
Hmm.. never knew that they only served 14 cities outside the Australia-NZ region. I've always thought they were a much bigger airline. (Well maybe my perception is warped since I see zillions of QF planes at SIN all the time..... )
SixStarAnsett From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2404 times:
How many international destinations does UA serve, or for that matter, an airline like BA?
I think the problem with QF intl is that Australia certainly does not have the population to support such wide destinations...and I think QF would have more destinations if there were 777s in their fleet- 744 is too big for some routes and 767 too small.
IndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3087 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
Dont know how i forgot BKK....KUL will become a Australian Airlines destination next year it has been reported. hanx for clarrifying the Jakarta flights too ppl.
Qantas is currently more concerned about domestic flying i suppose, as it is more profitable. Im wondering will QF actually start up any new routes themselves, not Aust Airlines. It seems that they are downgrading destinations down to the very profitable few, and then are ready to deploy Aust Airlines onto the other routes.
With Virgin coming onto the INternational scene Im wondering where QF will start to deply Aust Airlines from, just to cover all bases. If Virgin establishes themselves as a real player, QF might begin to feel the heat very quickly.
Braniff place From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 1125 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2351 times:
List of American airlines associated with Australia.
1)United Airlines still flying to SYD and MEL used to also fly to BNE until 1995 due to poor loads.
2)Continental Airlines all services cancelled due to load factors. No codeshare agreements. CO Micronesia flys to CNS on to Guam, Hawaii and Los Angeles. No Continental codesharing exists on their former MEL, SYD, BNE services.
3)Northwest Orient Cancelled the operations due to harsh political conditions created by the Australian Government in the 1990s. No codeshare agreements were established.
4)American Airlines flied to SYD and MEL and cancelled due to unprofitability during the 1970s now codeshares with Oneworld prtnr Qantas Airways including BNE.
5) Pan American flied to SYD from 1946 and sold the routes to United Airlines in 1986.
6) TWA had codesharing agreements in the 1970s with Qantas Airways Ltd these were ended years later.
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