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Will Qantas Resume Service To Sfo?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2596 times:

Hey guys!

I understand that Qantas no longer fly to SFO. However, I heard that they used to........

When did they pull out of SFO? Before they actually pulled out of SFO, they used to fly the B 747-400 into SFO I suppose. Right?

Will they resume service to SFO anytime soon? If yes, I suppose they will find a codeshare partner.

There is indeed a market for SFO-SYD/MEL. They can connect millions and millions of Australians into SFO, as well as Millions and Millions of people from SFO to Australia. Although you may argue that QF already flies to LAX.

Comments?

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User currently offline777D From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2474 times:


I believe they pulled out of SFO in the mid 90's??

I remember one time seeing a 767 Qantas at SFO when I was living in San Bruno just next to the airport. I thought I would see a 747 from Qantas, but it was a 767. I am not sure but I believe that Qantas flew SYD-LAX-SFO??

UAL already flies SFO-SYD or have they discontinued that service?

Perhaps AMR could open up SJC-SYD and code-share with Qantas on this route. Does the 777 for AMR have the range? The San Jose area as well as the East Bay, this could be a excellent route for AMR. The silicon valley survivors regaining some glory, could be a good time to introduce a route for Qantas/AMR from SJC-AMR.


User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

QF serves SFO just fine with codeshare with AA via LAX.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

777D,

Is ETOPS an issue for AA?

-Des


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

I believe the 767 operated a multi-stop route from MEL via somewhere to HNL then to SFO. At HNL it connected with QF17 which at the time operated SYD-NAN-HNL-LAX using a 747-200B Combi.

I took QF 17 back in about 1993.


User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2397 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

As GuyBetsy stated, the codeshare arrangements ex-LAX cover the numbers.
SFO formed an important part in trans-pacific operations for Qantas, culminating in the SYD-SFO non-stop QF3, flown by a B747-38SP. (SYD-SFO is actually shorter than SYD-LAX!)
The last services were operated by a 767-338ER via HNL and LAX.


User currently offlineHawkeye2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

QANTAS is unlikely to ever return to SFO. They got creamed once UA started SFO-SYD service; after all, SFO is UA's home turf. The dom-com implosion and general economic downturn in the Bay Area doesn't help either.


User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Qantas used to have its North American headquarters in San Francisco up until 1991. They masterleased a building located at 360 Post Street, facing Union Square, where thay had management, sales, marketing, and their North American call center.

Unfortunately, when property prices shot up in SF in the early 90's they decided to move their entire operation to Tucson, AZ!

There service to SFO was rudamentery at best. Sometimes a 767, sometimes a 747. The service wasn't daily, and British Airways did all of their handling.

Qantas still maintains staff at SFO for the AA codeshares to LAX. In fact, until very recently, AA maintained a seperate check-in line at their ticket counter for Qantas passengers (a Qantas sign hung above the position, and the same woman, wearing a Qantas uniform, would assist people).



User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Can anyone give me the list of US Airlines that have flown into Australia before?

1) United
2) Continental
3) Northwest

..........

That's all I know.


User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

Besides UA, CO, and NW,

Hawainn flew Honolulu-Sydney
American Airlines flew Dallas-Honolulu-SYD
and of course Pan Am, which United took over its Pacific division.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Delta? TWA? I guess not.

Current, United is the ONLY US Airline flying into Australia. Right?

 Smile


User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

United AIrlines is indeed the only US airline into Australia (im not taking into account AA codeshares).
Also, it just came to my mind, Continental Micronesia fly to Cairns , however I dont think you could class them strictly as a US airline, right? But I take it their aircraft are all US registered, right?
Delta, TWA, US Airways, America West etc have never been this way.


User currently offlineAardvark From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Correct! UA is the last remaining US airline flying to Australia. I believe NW were the last ones to pull out.

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

I also agree that QF will not return to SFO, maybe Australian Airlines might though....

The market there is alreday taken up by UA with there connections to that hub too it wouldnt make sense to enter that field.

QF is struggling internationally though imo, as they dont have many international destinations anymore.

Heres the list of remaining QF operated desinations:

New Zealand
* Auckland
* Wellington
* Christchurch
* Queenstown

Indonesia
* Bali

China
* Hong Kong

Singapore
* Singapore

Papua New Guinea
* Mort Moresby

South Africa
* Johanasburg

Japan
* Tokyo
* Nagoya

Phillipines
* Manila

Europe
* London LHR
* Frankfurt
* Rome
* Paris

USA

* Los Angeles
* New York
* DFW ( coming soon )

Mumbai , india will be discontinued
Argentina service will be discontinued, replaced by Lan Chile codeshare to Santiago

sorry if I have missed any

Not a huge list for a international carrier and flag carrier for Australia imo. They have lost many opportunites to become a pwerful force for travel into Australia, but these have now gone to other Asian carriers.

Hers the list of cities once served by Qantas planes:

* San Fransisco
* Vancouver
* Toronto
* Nagoya
* Port Vila
* Noumea
* Kuala Lumpur
* Jakarta
* Harare
* Belgrade
* Manchester ?
* Athens
* Bahrain
* Shanghai
* Beijing

Add to the list if you have any more.

ciao


User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

It is very strange that I saw a L1011 American Trans Airlines (ATA) in the Sydney Airport in December 1999...probably it's a charter airline?


The Spirit of AustraliAN - Longreach
User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

You mean Qantas only serves 18 international destinations (of which 4 are in New Zealand) And they don't fly to the capital of their closest neighbour, Indonesia? I never knew they discontinued their Jakarta service.

Hmm.. never knew that they only served 14 cities outside the Australia-NZ region. I've always thought they were a much bigger airline. (Well maybe my perception is warped since I see zillions of QF planes at SIN all the time..... )


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Well I got the impression that hey stopped Jakarta services, but Im not sure. Its hard to tell what destinations they fly to , as most r served from SYD. Here in MEL theres only :

* Auckland
* Wellington
* Christchurch
* Singapore
* Hong Kong
* Los Angeles
* Bali

And comig in Jul, Tokyo service.

It is abit difficult to understand where they are flying to, as they seem to start flying to a destination, like Canada, then pull out very quickly and replace it with a codeshare.

ciao


User currently offlineSixStarAnsett From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

How many international destinations does UA serve, or for that matter, an airline like BA?

I think the problem with QF intl is that Australia certainly does not have the population to support such wide destinations...and I think QF would have more destinations if there were 777s in their fleet- 744 is too big for some routes and 767 too small.

SixStarAnsett


User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Actually, Qantas DOES fly to Jakarta from both Perth and Syney.

User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

The most obvious one's missing on the list is:

Thailand
Bangkok

Indonesia
Jakarta (QF 41)


Noumea (QF 91)

Japan
Osaka (QF 113)

Wirraway




User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Qantas no longer fly to KUL. Right?

User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

With QFs "Australian Airlines" in Oct, we can also add:

Taiwan
Taipei

Japan
Fukuoka

Wirraway


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Dont know how i forgot BKK....KUL will become a Australian Airlines destination next year it has been reported. hanx for clarrifying the Jakarta flights too ppl.

Qantas is currently more concerned about domestic flying i suppose, as it is more profitable. Im wondering will QF actually start up any new routes themselves, not Aust Airlines. It seems that they are downgrading destinations down to the very profitable few, and then are ready to deploy Aust Airlines onto the other routes.

With Virgin coming onto the INternational scene Im wondering where QF will start to deply Aust Airlines from, just to cover all bases. If Virgin establishes themselves as a real player, QF might begin to feel the heat very quickly.

ciao


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

They still fly to Honolulu! Taipei is still served by QF isn't it?!

Papeete and Nadi are also no longer served just to add to the list!


User currently offlineBraniff place From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 1125 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

List of American airlines associated with Australia.


1)United Airlines still flying to SYD and MEL used to also fly to BNE until 1995 due to poor loads.

2)Continental Airlines all services cancelled due to load factors. No codeshare agreements. CO Micronesia flys to CNS on to Guam, Hawaii and Los Angeles. No Continental codesharing exists on their former MEL, SYD, BNE services.

3)Northwest Orient Cancelled the operations due to harsh political conditions created by the Australian Government in the 1990s. No codeshare agreements were established.

4)American Airlines flied to SYD and MEL and cancelled due to unprofitability during the 1970s now codeshares with Oneworld prtnr Qantas Airways including BNE.

5) Pan American flied to SYD from 1946 and sold the routes to United Airlines in 1986.

6) TWA had codesharing agreements in the 1970s with Qantas Airways Ltd these were ended years later.


25 RayChuang : I'll say this though: if QF were a member of Star Alliance they would be flying into SFO, not LAX. But since QF is part of OneWorld, they're flying to
26 Post contains images Hawkeye2 : Hope this doesn't turn into a NorCal/SoCal flame war... such is not my intention, although I am a true SoCaler at heart This is not flamebait, but jus
27 LanChileA340 : QF will surely not ever resume services to destinations such as SFO, PPT and AMS (all destinations that were once served by Qantas aircraft on a stead
28 Blink182 : I think QF will mostly rely on codeshares more or less. I think they will not fly to exotic places using their own planes. What will probably end up h
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