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Airplane Tug-of-War Contest  
User currently offlineMarc Kobaissi From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1162 times:



Trivia question: Which would win in a tug-of-war contest between an A340 and an Illyushin Il-96? Both would have full fuel, no payload, and have a dry surface on which to compete. The A340 would carry 2 extra crewmembers to make up for the Il-96 radio operator and navigator. Bonus points if you can figure out which would win in a reverse-thrust tug-of-war contest.

Los-a-Mike!!!!


-Marc K





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User currently offlineMarc Kobaissi From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1059 times:


Ha! I knew nobody would be able to figure it out!




Los-a-Mike!!!!!!!!!


XOXO,

Marc K


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1060 times:
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I'm guessing and say A340.

So what's the answer?

Arsenal@LHR



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User currently offlineHurricane From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1443 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

Since I'm sure this is a trick question ( Wink/being sarcastic) its probably the IL96, not the newer, supposedly better built A340!

User currently offlineBWIrwy4 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1040 times:

If it's an A340-200 or-300, then the IL-96 wins. If it is a -500 or -600 though, then the Airbus will win.

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1041 times:
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The plane with the higher engine thrust will win.


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User currently offlineMarc Kobaissi From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1015 times:


Not necessarily, Arsenal@LHR...


Los-a-Mike!!!


-Marc K



User currently offlineBWIrwy4 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 989 times:

Actually, Arsenal is right.The weight of each plane doesn't matter. They each would have to haul the same amount of weight. The IL96 would have to haul the weight of an IL96 (itself) plus the weight of the A340 that it is dragging along. Same holds true for the A340. You could fully load one plane, and have the other empty, and it would make no difference. Since the weight hauled is identical for each, the only variable that comes into play is engine thrust.

User currently offlineLZ-TLT From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 968 times:

have in mind, the 96 has also hotstream reversers, so it is able to reverse a bigger amount of trust

User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 956 times:

Well the A340 is not known for its performance and would lose this battle based on thrust. 4 X 32,500K CFM56's V 4 x 35k Russian powerplants or the later model IL96 has 4 PW 2337s @ 37k.

A silly post really but the Airbus would get cleaned up in this contest by its Russian Cousin.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 948 times:
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Not if it's an A340-600 or -500, they have massive engines!! 777 style!

Arsenal@LHR



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User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 936 times:

I did mean A342/A343 but I would hardly place the Trent 556s of the A345/A346 in the same category of the 777 Powerplants in either size or power.

The 55K of the 556 although significantly better than CFM powered 340s are still a LONG WAY short of Trent 895s 95(K) or GE or PW equivalents.

55(K) of the 556 will seem like nothing compared to the 777LR pwerplant the GE90-115B @ 115K!!!!!!


User currently offlineBsergonomics From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 907 times:

OK, maybe I'm taking this a bit far but...

It's not just engine thrust. It's also how well the brakes work and also tyre friction. But most of all, it's strategy!

Assuming the previous posts are right in that the Airbus has less power, here's the scenario:

When the referee signals the start, both aircraft apply full power. The Airbus captain also applies the brakes. The difference in power is not huge, so the brakes "may" be able to hold the airbus so that it only slips a little. The captain then gradually reduces power. The Airbus will be pulled back slowly. The captain then applies full power and releases the brakes.

Assuming that the aircraft are tail to tail, this will send a huge amount of exhaust air (low oxygen, high pollutant and VERY turbulent air) into the area that the IL-96 is sucking from. This may be enough to cause either a flame-out type failure or simply a mechanical failure in the IL-96's engines.

At which point, the Airbus happily trundles over the winning line. All they need to do then is to carefully re-apply the brakes and not do what happened when Boeing tried this challenge:


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I should get out more...  Big thumbs up  Nuts




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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 903 times:
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Whoa!!! that picture blew me away!!!

What were they trying to do?

Arsenal@LHR



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 900 times:

The aircraft with the better thrust to weight ratio would win

~Dan


User currently offlineBsergonomics From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 892 times:

Unfortunately, the pilot of the Boeing was so overjoyed at his tug of war win that he was too busy hugging the co-pilot, and forgot to apply the brakes. If you look closely, you can see the tug of war rope trailing behind the aircraft...  Laugh out loud

He looked almost as upset as the plane...


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OK, Reality Break...

It suffered nose wheel steering failure at Kuala Lumpar. I believe the aircraft was written off.



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User currently offlineMarc Kobaissi From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 855 times:


...I have yet to see any hard evidence...



Los-a-Mike!!!!!!




-Marc K.



User currently offlineTP313 From Portugal, joined Nov 2001, 259 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 847 times:

The IL-86 HAS a radio operator and a navigator.
The IL-96 DOES NOT have any of those.
It has a pilot a co-pilot and the provision fot a 3rd
crew member facing forward behind the central
console (do not know his usefulness).
The version with Rockwell/Collins flight instrumentation
is strictly 2 crew.


User currently offlineD-AIGW From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 261 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 833 times:

I think it's gonna be a tie because the rope would break.

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