SAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4998 times:
DRINKING BAN - The days of sipping your glass of bubbly at 40,000ft could be over, if the UK government of Tony Blair has its way.
We hear that the growing number of "air rage" incidents is apparently forcing the government to consider a ban on drinking alcohol on all domestic and international flights on British airlines.
A report in the London Sunday Times newspaper says the measure is being debated as part of preparations for a government study paper on aviation, due for publication in the spring.
The UK’s airline safety authority, the CAA, has reported a big increase in the number of violent or threatening incidents on aircraft - up from 800 three years ago to 1,250 in 2001.
This steady increase in attacks by drunk passengers on cabin crew members has forced the issue on to the government’s agenda.
We reckon that if the proposals become concrete, they will be strongly opposed by airlines, but the problem is that they already have the backing of cabin crew and groups representing the travelling public.
According to a Transport Department source, the most likely scenario is an in-flight bar from which cabin crew would be able to control the number of drinks handed out.
But what to do with all these tax-free bottles bought before the flight? We’re anxiously waiting for the outcome of the debate and raise our glass in the hope that the bill will be defeated.
LMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4830 times:
Do you have the source of this info? Sounds OK with me. I've had my share or incidents with British boozers on my flights. In fact I am waiting for the verdict of a case which was taken to court in Dublin when I and the Ramper were attacked by two men - one British - whom I stopped from boarding the aircraft because they were drunk.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4776 times:
If a ban is put into place, it will have minimum effect and won't really cut down the high number if air rage incidents. People will just buy alcohol from duty free or buy their own knowing that they won't get any on the flight.
But i support a ban on alcohol, it's the least we can do to stop thuggish behaviour on planes.
TimeForFlight From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4770 times:
oy! think of how horrible it must be to fly with a group of rowdy, druken soccer (football) fans! i suppose if the ban is put in effect, bars/pubs mgiht be found all the way down the boarding ramp - so long as they arent on the aircraft... all i say is allow for alcohol on the planes - just cap the number a person may have during a flight. IMO, theres nothing wrong with having handcuffs on the plane to keep a rowdy drunk restrained while the tiredness overcoems them and they quicly fall into a deep sleep... ahhhhhhhh, sleep
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4758 times:
Well, another act that proves our current government are a bunch of complete idiots.
So they ban drinks on flights... So what? People will still drink before they get on their flights. And people will carry on alcohol (duty free, etc). At least at the moment passengers don't need to "tank up" before they get on, and the cabin crew can regulate intake. If a bad on alcohol on board is implemented, people who want to drink will drink more before they get on board, in an environment where control on how much they drink is not controlled.
One more thing - some people drink on flights to relieve the stress of flying itself (yes, flying is a problem for some people). Banning alcohol will make this people more anxious and potentially increase the risk of them doing something stupid because of the stress - some alcohol can be a calmer.
So as I said, yet again another ill thought out idea from the idiots who think they are in control in the UK.
LMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4754 times:
It's not that some people can't pass a few hours without a drink. But when it's free it's irresistible for the British. I fly on charter as well as scheduled flights to and from the UK. On chartered flights all they drink is juices and water. On scheduled flights they start asking for juices and water but then when they discover it's for free then the party starts. When the smoking ban came into effect air-rage incidents were on the increase. The same will happen with a total alcohol ban. So instead of banning alcohol from the flights Blair can outlaw free drinks only. Thus the more civilised of us will not have to be punished, while the bums will be controlled.
Rootsgirl From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4721 times:
I just don't get it and I wonder what has happened in the past to peoples' decency and morales that would make them revert to behaving like cavemen/women on board an aircraft.
I recall years ago, when all drinks were free, smoking was permitted and there was no movie or on board entertainment.
Did people complain about no movies? NO, they entertained themselves. Did they bitch about choice of meal? NO, they never got one. Were they responsible drinking in the air? YES - the majority of the time.
I recall doing U.K. flights all the time out of Toronto and it was very rare to see air rage or unruly drunks. I remember happy people, happy to be going on vacation and if they had a few too many they usually passed out or went to sleep. I don't know what happened to people, but if it's the wave of today and tomorrow then it is pretty damm sad.
Sad because I think a person should be able to enjoy a cocktail in the air. Why not? It's a shame that a few idiots have ruined it for the rest.
Treg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4709 times:
What's wrong with you, britons?
I don't know. I have taken in my life hundred-so flights and never-ever experenced any problems with drunk people. Yes, I have never taken any flights with BA, but is this problem really so British? Look at the late-night flights from CPH to the destinations in Sweden. The alcohol is basically unlimited (especially when the plane is not sold out) and still everyone knows how to behave. I am really confused here.
BlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3337 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4686 times:
Welcome to Tony Blair's nanny state.
That guy is such a control freak.
He wants to look at the important aviation issues like crippling air tax and his stupid, poorly thought out part privatisation of NATS.
All they have to do is incorporate into air law mandatory custodial sentences for anything which could be considered as a danger to air safety whilst under the influence of alcohol.
Lock a few of them up, publish "Aviation's gallery of shame" for everyone to see them, ban them not just from all UK carriers, but at check-in, irrespective of carrier, and the trouble will soon disappear.
So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
Airsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4674 times:
- People will drink until the very last second before boarding, they´ll appear to be sober during boarding, but when the alcohol kicks in, they´ll be hopelessly drunk.
- The existing rules are enough, if only they were strictly enforced.
- Have you ever been on a flight were the amount of alcohol distributed on board alone can make you really seriously drunk? I haven´t - there´s not really drink service every ten minutes, is there? So drunk air ragers must have got their alcohol level on the ground. And if the crew don´t serve them additional drinks, that problem is solved.
- I don´t really believe alcohol is the cause for air rage. It may trigger people to tick off, but the real underlying problems are different.
Deltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4672 times:
Who needs booze on flights anyway? If are flying from the US to the UK, you shouldn't have it because it will only enhance the jet lag affects-exponentially! And if you are on a short haul flight, can you go at least 2 hours without it?
The same law should be passed in the US. I'm all for drinking, and LOVE my booze, but come on. Drinking on planes is a very bad idea!! If it doesn't cause worse jet lag, it still makes you feel groggy and god for bid the plane should have an emergency on landing, your senses may not be in the best shape to respond appropriately.
BTW, with over 1,200 incidences a year in the UK alone, that is like 3 times a day someone has air rage due to drinking. I don't think Tony Blair's gov't is being over bearing, they are a little too late.
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3142 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4626 times:
Deltaflyertoo wrote: BTW, with over 1,200 incidences a year in the UK alone, that is like 3 times a day someone has air rage due to drinking. I don't think Tony Blair's gov't is being over bearing, they are a little too late.
I agree...it is late. Air Rage does happen very very often, and it is a serious issue. In most cases the passenger was drunk. Personally, I agree with Blairs decision. It does need to go one step farther and that would be to stop it at the airport.
Jmc777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4600 times:
Phew..took a while to get throught that lot, however I do have a few comments:
1. Banning alcohol on board will NOT stop the air rage incidents on board aircraft.
2. This is not a problem limited to UK airlines.
3. Many air rage incidents stem from activities in the airport, which can be broken down easily:
a) Delays: Poor communication - pi**es everyone off, yet airlines seem to think they can get away with it.
: Representation - Customers need someone to answer their questions, not people who simply read from a sheet of paper, but people who actually UNDERSTAND what they are talking about and care about the people they are delivering the info to.
: Airport seating - Usually totally inadequate, which means customers are sleeping on floors before a flight, makes them real happy!!!!!!!
: Airport prices - Again usually expensive and again pi**es people off.
b)Cabin Crew: Attitude - If you are the last person to board(through no fault of your own, or not), is the sneer from the crew really justified?
: Customers who treat cabin crew as something left on the shoe after taking the dog out: As well as infuriating crew, it also angers other customers, sometimes prompting them to take action.
: Cabin Crew PA's - Give it a rest!!! I can read how much drinks and duty free are....I want to watch the movie!!!!
c)Customers: Stressed out from connections
: Personal problems
: Work difficulties
: Simple Ars**oles
d)NOT EVEN GOING INTO THE SMOKING DEBATE : Can Airlines sell patches??????
The Simple Fact of the matter is that over the last 10 years of MY flying career, peoples' expectations have changed. What was acceptable then, isnt now. There seems to be no way to change it. I have worked long haul for BA with free booze and charter where they pay for it and the customer is generally the same.
End of the day, what should air travel be?
It should be Safe, Comfortable and Enjoyable.....for ALL parties, customers and crew alike.....until that balance is met, I think problems will continue, as crew put up with less and less, and so do customers.
Aking8488 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4562 times:
California Senator Diane Feinstein advocated the same idea for U.S. domestic flights a about a year ago...it fizzled out very quickly (due in large part to lobbying by the alcohol industry I suspect). I imagine this idea will go to the same place.
: I suspect as well that a large part of the problem stems from the sort of people that are flying today. The low fares - especially on charter airlines
: Great idea. Can't stand being next to a drunk person, especially long haul.
: Aking8488: Due in larger part to even more intense lobbying by Rogue Trader, I would suspect. And more power to him. There goes any plans for him to v
: The alcohol is NOT the problem, the person is the problem. Jeremy
: why can't the FA see when someone has had enough to drink and then not serve them as they do in bars etc however if they did introduce this i can guar
: It's not just the alcohol consumed on the flight. There are a lot of fly-in, fly-out (onshore and offshore) situations, where workers are on a mine si
: From the March 25,2002 Delta Employee Magazine, News Digest A customer writes that he went to the back galley on a long-haul flight and asked for an a
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: The airlines create the air rage themselves by the poor service they provide. Alcohol only amplifies a much deeper problem. Air ragers are the rogues
: Hi love, two pints of lager and a packet of crisps please!
: Of all the alcohol related problems I have seen on board airliners - and they are quite a few - the problem passenger(s) were drunk already when board
: I'm not sure banning alcohol served onboard the aircraft would help much. What they need to do, is ban all alcohol sales in airports, therefore they c
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: How about arming the crew with a breathaliser? That will solve a few problems of deciding who is drunk and who's not. Perhaps in the future, with all
: Hi there, Banning alcohol on flights is just not practical. I don't think i can add anymore to what has allready been said. If they do ban it,just thi
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: SBE727: You in the UK are luckier than the rest of us as you are the country in Europe with the toughest laws where ar-rage is concerned. I personally