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National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In  
User currently offlineI LOVE EWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 852 posts, RR: 8
Posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

I was wondering what aircraft National Leaders use when they fly. Obviously AF1 is used for the US but I was wondering about other countries and the aircraft used. Are there any leaders that fly commercially or on commerical carriers? Or are they all operated by their respective countries Air Force. I remember Blair was on a BA777 when he went to NZ but for intra-Europe travel what does he use and the other leaders use. Also can anyone confirm this for me...
I was waiting to board an NW Mesaba Avro Regional Jet flight. A comment was made by a passenger that the Avro was specifically designed with 4 engines because the Royal Family only travels on 4 engine aircraft or something like that. I have seen ARJ transporting some of the Royals on TV I was just wondering if this guy was right what he said about the 4 engine thing. Thanks.

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User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

When i was at Paris CDG back in ohhhh 1995, i saw the Paris Air Force A340 that the president used, i don't know if they changed it.
DC-10's Forever



"Traveling light is the only way to fly" - Eric Clapton
User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Hi Mark,

This is what the Prime Minister of New Zealand uses to get around in......

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As you can see, she's not too popular here.
That's one of the opposition parties chasing her in the C130. LOL Big grin

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She'll normally only use the B727 for Pacific rim visits.
Other than that, for visits further afield and within the country, she'll usually fly commercial.
Regarding the BA777 visit here.
That carried the Queen rather than Tony Blair.

Mike (NZWN)


User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

BTW, without me realising it, that last sentence there seems to throw that passengers' theory right out the window; the Queen on a twin-engined 777.
True, the Royal Family has 2 (maybe 3) RAF BAE146s at their disposal but that's certainly not the reason that they were designed with four engines.
The reasons were purely commercial.


User currently offlineI LOVE EWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 852 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

Mike thanks for the quick response. My bad getting Blair and the Queen mixed up on their visit to NZ. I guess that also answers my question about the 4 engine aircraft rule that I thought I heard. Do you happen to know if the 777 was specially modified and/or if it was manned by a RAF flight and in-flight service crew or regular BA crews. Thanks

User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

As far as I know, the first class area was modified for that tour and tech crew was BA.
Cabin crew?
I don't know, but I assume they would've been BA as well; obviously hand-picked.
Would've entailed a lot of expense and training for RAF crew to be used.
Maybe someone from BA could elaborate.
For internal travel while she was here, she used an Air NZ BAE146 and RNZAF 727.
PS: Just out of interest, her first ever commercial flight some years ago was on an Air NZ B747-400 LHR-LAX-AKL with modified first class compartment.  Smile


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16371 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2498 times:

Some of the national aircraft that come to mind:

Canada A310-300
Peru 735
Mexico 752
Chile 703
Argentina 703
France A310-300....didn't know about the A340!
Italy A319
Venezuela A319
Japan 744
China 763
Pakistan 733.....may be in PIA service now.
Saudi Arabia one of everything! all in Saudia livery!
Jordan A342
Egypt A342
Germany A310-300

......I cant think anymore.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAeroArgentina From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 192 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Actually Argentina is a 752 called TANGO-1

User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

I know the leaders of Singapore travel by scheduled commerical services on SIA. They never charter planes. Also, they don't usually book up the whole of first class.

We all know they could well afford to charter aircraft for official travel, but I suppose they don't want to be seen as extravagant?


User currently offlineTurin_airport From Italy, joined Oct 2001, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Here's a picture of one of the two Italian Prime Minister's planes (A319CJ). Note the funny remark that gives you an idea of the real nature of our current "beloved" Prime Minister  Smile!


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T_a

P.S.: when I say "beloved", I'm joking...clear?



User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13256 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

When a BA aircraft is chartered for V.I.P. BA crew are used.
If security is an issue an RAF VC-10 or BAe-146 is used.
That comment about the 4-engined 146 being designed for Royal use is hilarious, reminds me of the story of an American tourist seeing an aircraft from LHR climbing over Windsor Castle "Gee, isn't it neat they built a castle so convienient for the airport".
(In actual fact the BAe-146's replaced twin engined HS-748's, for a long time it was expected that the 748's would be replaced by BAC-1-11's, but no order before the line closed).


User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

See my profile for a album with government aircrafts.
Peter



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User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Hey Andrea,
When I saw that A319CJ here in Wellington last year, I'm sure it had different markings on the side.
Forca Aeronautica Militare (correct me here) or something like that.
I realize they have more than one, maybe I saw one of the others.


User currently offlineTurin_airport From Italy, joined Oct 2001, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

Ciao Mike,
the two planes have identical paint scheme and both have written Areonautica Militare in the back of the fuse, alongside Repubblica Italiana mark in the front.
So, I guess you have ssen it from the rear.
But, why was that plane in Wellington? Was it during the America's Cup competition?

Bye.

T_a


User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

I remember RP Pres. Macapagal chartering a Philippine Airlines A320 when she went on her SE Asia tour.

User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

T_a,
Yeah that's right.
I was looking at it from the rear port side when it was parked at the Air Force terminal.
It was here on some Govt visit.
Might've been your PM or Trade Minister or something.
Can't remember.
Wasn't Americas Cup that's for sure.

Mike  Smile


User currently offlineOvelix From Greece, joined Aug 1999, 639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

On a recent article of Airways magazine (or was it Airliner World?? can't remember) about Philippine Airlines there was a very interesting aspect of "government aircraft".

Imelda Marcos, wife of the former dictator Ferdinardo, used to travel with the airlines DC-10's to Europe just for shopping. The interesting thing is that she flew just her and her friends, not other passengers. She used to "charter" the whole plane just for 10-20 persons, with no prior notice and the airline had to pull the aircraft of the schedule for as many days as she liked to stay in Paris or Milan or Rome. Of course she did not pay, of course the loss for the airline was huge.

(An explanation would be that she needed the extra space and cargo for the items she bought, hehe, many many shoes).

Kostas


User currently offlineQatar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

The Qatari Government has:

1x A340-200
1x A310-300
1x A320-200
1x A319CJ (wet leased from Qatar Airways to replace the Falcon 900)

They also have on order:

1x A340-500 to replace the A340-200
1x A330-200 to replace the A310-300

All aircraft are operated by Qatar Airways.

Regards,
Qatar


User currently offlinePH-BFA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Our Royal family and government uses a modest, homemade, Fokker 70:


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PH-BFA


User currently offlineTreg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Estonian ones are travelling by scheduled commerical services either with Estonian Air or Finnair. There has been a few exceptions because of larger delegation. In this case Estonian Air's B735 or F50 were chartered.

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6057 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

The Danish PM and royal family (not so sure on that one) primarily uses a Gulfstream from the RDAF, at least on inter-European flights. On flights to other continents, they both use ordinary SAS flights.

User currently offlineDripstick From Canada, joined Dec 2001, 2364 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

Some examples:

Canada...


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UK...

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USSR...

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What's another word for thesaurus?
User currently offlineSixStarAnsett From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

NZ767,

Hahaha...I have never seen a funnier comment linked to a photograph in all my life...


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As you can see, she's not too popular here.
That's one of the opposition parties chasing her in the C130. LOL


But something tells me the hightailer won't be caught...

SixStarAnsett  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

PH-BFA,
I remember years ago when Queen Beatrix visited NZ, she used a Martinair 767.
Was nice to see here in Wellington.  Smile


User currently offlineWasilenko From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

By the way there exist only two nations that carry their first people on the aircraft that a made in the same nation.
They are Russia Il-96, Il-62 and USA Boeing 747, 757

Do you know if there exist more.


25 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : Well, France obviously with the A310. You might also include Germany in that list: Airbus being a part German company too, you could call all Airbus p
26 RayChuang : However, with ex-airline A340-200's available, don't be surprised that the national leaders for the United Kingdom, France and Germany switch to A342'
27 Dexter : Look at the roof of that Il-96...I wonder what all the communication stuff the got on board is...
28 F+ Rouge : The 'Flugbereitschaft' of the German Luftwaffe (Air Force) operates two VIP Airbus A310-300 and six Canadair Challenger CL 601. Regards, F+ Rouge
29 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : ... but if the need arises, the Chancellor will also fly one of the five non-VIP A310s. Like last year, when one A310 VIP was in South Africa, one wa
30 PH-BFA : 'I remember years ago when Queen Beatrix visited NZ, she used a Martinair 767' That she used a Martinair 767 is quite strange, since the royal family
31 Post contains images NZ767 : That was about 15 years ago PH-BFA.
32 Indianguy : All flights carrrying the Indian PM are designated by the call-sign Air India One. Domestically the Indian Prime Minister travels in a specially maint
33 Airindia : Roy would like to tell you that the aircraft borrowed from Air India for the indian PM's or prez's visits is refered to as the " AIR INDIA ONe" AI1. A
34 Post contains links and images Salim : The lebanese prime minister, Rafic Hariri travels in his own modest b777-200. He was in washington last week. Now he's in china. View Large View Mediu
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