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User currently offlineNwa757300 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 299 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 5 months ago) and read 1549 times:

757-200
AC#5655 delivery 04/02
AC#5656 delivery 05/02
AC#5657 delivery 06/02

757-300
AC#5801 delivery 08/02
AC#5802 delivery 07/02
AC#5803 delivery 09/02
AC#5804 delivery 10/02
AC#5805 & 5806 delivery 11/02
AC#5807 delivery 12/02

All DC-10-40s will be grounded by 9-03-02.

727-200
As aircraft come due for maintenance checks they are put into retirement. In January, 3 aircraft were retired. Eight additional aircraft will be retired throughout the summer and early fall. Of the remaining 16, 7 will see retirement by mid 2003 and the remaing fleet will move off the property in August and September of '03.


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User currently offlineSJCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 579 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

"All DC10's will be grounded by 09-03-02"...

Funny, everybody seems to give different information about the NW -10's...who's right?

SJCguy


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3941 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

SJC Guy - if you're going to quote someone, you should do it correctly. Nwa757-300 never said all the DC10s were to be retired by 9/3/02. He said all the DC10-40s will be gone by then... the -30s will remain. They will start to be retired next year when the A330-300s begin to arrive. These are undisputed facts.


AZJ


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1207 times:

Is the start of 753 service still on for July? Are they going to start revenue service with only one aircraft? Or will they wait until August for the the 2nd one to arrive, or even the schedule change at the beginning of Sept?

User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

Are the 727s used for sport charters being retired as well or are they being retained past 2003?

User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

I just think it feels so starnge.

NWA has opperated the DC10 (in this case -40, since the -30 has some more time left) much longer than other main airlines, and for me the DC10 and the DC9 are the trademarks for NWA and what makes them so special (great in mye eyes). Suddenly things are changing, and the DC10 are leaving for good. In mye eyes you can't find a replacement for such a beauty bird. So since we now are given an exact date fro the retirement of the -40 I feel sad ;(

I have always liked, and always loved nwa fro its old, but still very beautyful fleet. No when the (in my eyes boring) A330 is taking over flights to europe, i can't find very good reasons to fly NWA. Offcourse they have good service, and a nie livery, but service isn't everything if the plane is boring. Than i rather try another airline (if i can't get a nwa 742  Smile )

Luckily the good old dc9 are stying fro atlest some years to come, hopefully together with some dc10-30 before the new 330 fleet is completed.

Asking what i meant with this post?
well, I don't know. But honestly I would like to know if somebody else have discovered, or are feeling that with the retierment of the 10 and later the 9 the old nwa we old knowed are going, leaving us a new and " unknown" airline with only new aircrafts. (maybe going from oldest to newest fleet in only a few years. maybe a great job, but in my eyes a very sad job)

BTW: anybody who have some ideas about wich routes the NW B727 will be used on for the last time?

tg 747-300



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User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

Any news as to when NW will begin retiring their DC-9s? I wonder when they will begin using their Airbus A319s & A320s on the ALB to DTW route to replace the DC-9. Already at ALB, UA and US Airways are using their Airbuses on some routes in and out of this location.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1073 times:

Ahh, the DC-9 topic comes up once again.
Answer.....there is no real set retirement for the DC-9 fleet. Its a rolling retirement, when an aircraft reaches about 100,000 cycles, they will be retired. We'll still be seeing these for many, many more years. The first 75 DC-9's retired will be replaced by A319's. Many of the DC-9's have extremely low cycles, the -50's are some of the last DC-9's off the line, and all have brand new interiors and upgrades. The DC-9 fleet has proven extremely reliable for NW and will continue to for many more years.
As for the DTW-ALB route, that isn't a likely Airbus route. Right now you're getting the DC-9-30's, which holds 100 passengers. The A319 holds 124, and the A320 148. Putting an Airbus would greatly increase the capacity which would appear not to be necessary. You would likely get the bigger DC-9-50 first. The Airbus is meant to fly on the longer routes that aren't big enough for a 757. Thus, many are flying west coast runs. The DC-9's are now flying shorter stage lengths as the Airbuses are added. So, don't expect one there, thats prime DC-9 territory for NW.

727's fly all sorts of routes. Inter-hub routes, many hub Florida routes, and some short hops. Too far out to say where the last route will be.


User currently offlineRhino4ever From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 146 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1069 times:

DC-10-40's will be parked as of 09-03-02. DC-10-30's (23 airframes) are around til 2006. 4 retired in '03, 6 retired in '04 & '05, and the last 7 in '06. Options for 75 Airbus 319/320's will start around 2005 and start a slow and steady retirement of the DC-9's. Think the last DC-9 is forecast to be around til 2016, and will be taking an Airbus crew home after parking a A-320 in the desert.

User currently offlineNeilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1055 times:

Are the Dc-10-30's going to take over the West coast - Honolulu flight? B/c i thought they were keeping some 40's for the SEA, LAX, SFO - HNL flights.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

West coast- Hawaii will become -30's. Thats what they will eventually be keeping some -30's for once the A330's come online.
Btw....SFO-HNL got axed.


User currently offlineSEA nw DC10 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1040 times:

So who are you an airline pilot for?

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3941 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1000 times:

SEA DC10 - I fly for Mesaba.

PSU summed everything up nicely. -40s are going, 30s to be around for a bit flying HNL and Atlantic.

Who knows where the 753s will be deployed. Nothing reflecting this airplane in the current summer schedules.


AZJ


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3941 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 986 times:

Incidently, the first 753 that arrives will be named the Bernie Epple. She recently passed on and was a flight attendant for NW giving 55 years of her life to the red tails!



AZJ


User currently offlineSEA nw DC10 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 976 times:

K, I asked which airline ya fly for...  Smile

User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 970 times:

Hey Azj. Any upgrades with Mesaba? Last time I heard from you, you were going over the bumps of flying. Hioe to hear from you soon.

-Dmitry


User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 945 times:

How many pax will NW's A333 hold and wat will the range be then?

User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 898 times:

I would say it holds around 400 or so, range should be about 6000 nm.

-Dmitry


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5334 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 880 times:

400 pax on a A333 are you sure. Perhaps you meant 300? I would say about 280 myself!

User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 873 times:

Well that matters how the layout is, I guess it would be around 300 then.

Let ask Azj, he should know.

-Dmitry


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3941 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 849 times:

I don't exactly know, but it sure isn't 400. I belive it will be right around 300 with about 30 or so WBC seats and the rest coach. They'll end up with more seats than the DC10-30s have. Range is about 5000-6000 miles I think. It is perfect for the stage lengths NW has accross the pond.

Mesaba isn't too bad right now... at least I have a job.

AZJ


User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 834 times:

A330 for Northwest will be C34/Y268 total 302
DC10-30 for Northwest is C26/Y247 total 273.

757-300 for Northwest will be F24/Y199
DC10-40 for Northwest is currently F34/Y247 or F42/Y256.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6438 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 784 times:

I'm confused, what is the current 727 count, including the 5 charters?


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 744 times:

If any domestic routes will be operates by the A330s, what are they?

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 735 times:

Currently NW has 20 727's in service, 5 of which are in sport-charter configuration, so 15 in passenger service.
Keep in mind this number might be old by now....aircraft could be put to pasture anytime when its time.

Its too early to say when, if, or where the A330's will go on domestic runs. Likely they will go on domestic proving routes for a short while. NW has never done ETOPS before, and I'm not totally sure of all the compliance regulations, etc. Back in 1989, NW, the launch customer of the 747-400, started them flying domestic runs initially. The first revenue flight of the 747-400 was from MSP-PHX. A few months later then were put on the Trans-Pacific routes. However, IF they go on domestics, they would go on large routes, like inter-hub routes or west coast runs. They won't be on some DC-9 route like DTW-FNT (that would be cool) or like DTW-ALB. I think you're thinking farther out than planning and scheduling NW has up in MSP.

Stay Tuned.


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