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Tarom To Reopen Some Middle East Destination  
User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 933 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

Bucharest(OTP) to

Beirut ( May 02 - 2,4,6)
Cairo (April 25 - 2,4,6)
Kuwait (June 04 - 2,5)
Riyad (May 16 - 4,7)


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Media rumors have it that they are still considering Stockholm and Montreal.
They will also operate summer charter flights to the Black Sea resort of Constanta from various points in Europe.

Cheers


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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

What ahve you heard about a possible return to Montreal??

Mark


User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1294 times:

It's just a media rumour that Tarom could start summer charter flights to Montreal. No other detailed info...

I don't see them having a scheduled run though, given the lack of long range aircraft in their fleet. With only two 310-324 running the New York and Beijing routes any other expansion would be unlikely.


User currently offlineKdonohue From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Didn't Tarom operate Montreal flights in the past? I've read about them flying from Chicago and stopping in Montreal before heading over to Europe. Can anyone confirm this. Montreal is listed in the timetable portion of Tarom's website, but they don't offer any flights.

Has anyone flown on Tarom recently? They offer JFK-Bucharest service with a stop enroute. Does anyone know where that stop is?



User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

Kdonohue, 2x a week that stop is in Luxeumburg. I do not know where they stop the other 3x. The LUX stop is new, just started last month to give LUX some trans-Atlantic service.


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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2397 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1264 times:

They stop in Timisoara, Romania on the third weekly flight.


Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1247 times:

Since TAROM is now coming twice weekly through Luxembourg, I get to see them frequently and am impressed by their on-time performance!
I guess that this is due to the fact that the aircraft are not tied in too close-cut rotation plans? At least until now you can set your clock after the TAROM flights in most cases.

Best regards,

Patroni


User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 1231 times:

You're right Kdonohue they use to fly OTP-YUL-ORD until last year. They pulled out of Chicago due to what they termed as a "loosing money" route. In other words the expenses associated with operating this route were greatly higher than revenues especially due to the landing fees that they had to pay at both Montreal and Chicago airports on each and every run.

One might get a decent load percentage overall from both ORD & YUL but when your aircraft has 200 seats (more or less) - that may not quite offset the landing fees, fuel, catering, baggage handling, grooming etc

So perhaps the only available option at the moment due to lack of aircraft capacity would be to try to serve just one destination that could provide them with a profitable load. And most likely that would be Montreal. Considering that Arlanda's landing fees are way below the O'Hare ones, would they attempt a Bucharest - Stockholm - Montreal run this time?

What's interesting and perhaps many of you don't know is that Tarom is undergoing a restructuring plan - founded by World Bank and devised by Lufthansa Consulting.

Very recently Tarom signed a code share agreement with Angel Airlines on certain Romanian domestic routes freeing some of its ATR 42 - 500. Angel is flying 19 seater BAE J 31 aircraft.
Carpatair flying Saab 340 may be in for its share of domestic routes since Tarom plans to get out of the domestic market altogether.

Cheers.


User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 1225 times:

Tarom used to fly Bucharest-Dubai-Karachi..A310 service i think.Sadly they axed the KHI route a few years ago.I wonder if they will ever come back.

User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

KHI747

Tarom pulled out the A310 from Dubai route last year and I think they are currently using a
B 737- 700 NG three times a week via Larnaca (Cyprus).

Technically speaking extending this flight to Karachi wouldn't be a problem given the B737 NG extended range. But again the load factor on the Dubai - Karachi portion is the one who could make or brake a deal. I would agree that recent events in the region brings back Karachi as an attractive market!

Cheers


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

Is there a TAROM flight to TLV and if yes, how many daily and with what?

TNNH


User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

I think they fly around 9 weekly to Tel Aviv during the summer time using B 737- 300 and A 310.

Obviously good loads on this route mind you that EL AL is flying the route as well using B757 & B737-800. Both airlines have a daily flight on TLV-OTP. On Sunday, I guess Tarom has 3 daily departures to TLV.

Cheers


User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

Connector4you: you seem to be a very knowledgeable individual in Tarom's matters.Good to have you in the forum.
You see Dubai-Karachi has a very strong market.Alot of carriers connect the cities...actually before even more did then present day(Tarom being one).From my own experience its a matter of how you promote and market your product that makes alot of difference on this route.EK cant seem to supply enough seats with 16X weekly B777 services. So Tarom should get enough pax there not a problem.....but where i see the real potential is Tarom offering a cheap and convenient connection to pax travelling to England mostly(France,Germany) from Pakistan.I know before when Tarom flew to KHI, many people took it to London as it offered the best fare. It can do the same again, but the difference now is that airport/landing/fuel charges in KHI have been slashed and also Tarom is operating a smaller aircraft.
Add up the variables and then you have Tarom offering convinient connections between KHI and England, a smaller aircraft hence less risk with lowered operating cost to KHI and then the stop in DXB further ensures additional pax.
I really hope Tarom would realise the potential and come back....maybe you can enlighten them on this too  Smile


User currently offlineARN From Sweden, joined Feb 2001, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1204 times:

Mr. Connector4you!

I think your proposition of a Tarom-flight to Montreal via Stockholm is very interesting. Do you know if that would be permitted given the airtraffic agreements between Scandinavia and Canada?


User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 1175 times:

Thanks KHI747 for your kind words.

I have a filing that Tarom will review their former Asian routes at some point. Had they not postpone the delivery of two new B737-700 NG initially scheduled for delivery at the beginning of this year, I'm sure those could have been successfully dispatched to reopen their Asian routes. It could have been a brilliant move on Tarom's part given the rising DOUBLE DIGIT profits reported by other airlines in the region.

ARN

I must confess that I am unaware of any traffic agreements hurdles between Scandinavia and Canada. Maybe you could give us some details about possible restrictions….

Cheers



User currently offlineJU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1151 times:

What is the reason for there being so much demand on the OTP-TLV route?

BTW: I am really glad to see Tarom developing itself as a proud Romanian airline, and i am certain it will continue its success. I really hope that Tarom and JAT develop a special alliance, because both airlines seem to have the same strategic goals. Joint pilot training, aircraft maintenance, catering, codesharing are all feasible parameters with regards to initiating an alliance between the two airlines.


User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

I think the OTP-TLV route is in a high demand as we speak due to some 40,000 Romanian construction workers commuting between home and work.

Well I just hope that Tarom learned that it doesn't stand a chance, but to survive and grow on its own.
The recent wave of airlines disintegration in the industry proved once again how lethal the domino effect can be when you are not able to adapt quickly to the needs of a highly competitive and ever changing European market.


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I would agree that JAT and Tarom have together a long history of good standing relation. If I'm not mistaken JAT still have its own agency open in Bucharest even though it doesn't fly to the Romanian capital. Recently I read a post on this forum pointing out the fact that JAT might have a flight coming soon on the Belgrade-Timisoara route. I think that's already a promising step forward to reinvigorate commercial flights between Serbia and Romania.
I can certainly see a market demand on a (CDN)- OTP-TSR-BEG run using perhaps an ATR 42-500 couple of times per week (at least !). Honestly I think that a code-share agreement will follow sooner than later.

Cheers


User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 1125 times:

Actually, JAT already has a "flight" to Timisoara. Well, actually it's a bus service, but they still serve the route!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineJU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1109 times:

Appreciating the fact that Timisoara is fairly close to Belgrade (maybe about 2.5 hours drive), it is unfeasible to open regular flights, given the fact that domestic routes would certainly be more profitable. Thats why JAT did a good thing by operating a shuttle bus service to that city. On the other hand, as the economy of Southeast Europe improves, it will eventually become a good idea to start with the OTP-BEG route.

Special greetings to Connector4you and JAT!


User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1094 times:

I am fairly certain that the BEG-Timisoara shuttle is a temporary measure until a flight to Buccurest is established.

They also have an odd routing to Ljubljana, they fly to Trieste and then take a bus to Ljubljana. There is a lot of demand for a BEG-LJU route but that has been delayed because of Adria's stubbourness. In fact, demand is so great that a group of business men published a letter in various papers urging the airlines to settle the matter.


User currently offlineJU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1091 times:

Adria Airways really disgusts me! They are absolutely gready, and are not complying with the agreement they signed in Belgrade last year.

Under the agreement JAT is given full rights to BEG-LJU, while Adria Airways has rights to LJU-PRI, LJU-TIV, and LJU-TGD. And now Adria also wants a piece of BEG-LJU.

My reply to Adria Airways: Either its going to be a complete open sky agreement or its going to be what you signed last year. Otherwise your planes are not welcome in Serbia and Montenegro. Unfortunately Adria is flying to PRI, TIV, and TGD, while JAT is still not able to fly to LJU. I think the civil aviation administration in Belgrade should hault flights with Adria before the agreement is implemented.


User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1075 times:

JAT even offered them a code-share on the BEG-LJU flight but they rejected that as well.

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