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United Launches Chicago-Milan Service!  
User currently offlineFormer747pilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

United Airlines will launch its first scheduled service between Chicago's O'Hare International Airport and Milan, Italy on Oct. 28th, 2002.

The new daily nonstop flight increases to 11 the number of international destinations served nonstop by United from Chicago.

"We are very excited to add Milan to the roster of five European destinations served nonstop by United from its hometown," said Stuart Oran, United Airlines senior vice president-international.

United will operate the daily nonstop flight to Milan with Boeing 777 aircraft configured with 12 suites in United First, 49 seats in United Business and 231 seats in United Economy.

The schedule for United's new flight between Chicago and Milan is as follows:

UA 988 will depart from Chicago at 5:35 p.m. and arrive in Milan at 9:25 a.m. the following day.

UA 987 will depart from Milan at 11:15 a.m. (beginning Oct. 29) and will arrive in Chicago at 2:25 p.m. The new service is timed to permit convenient connections for passengers originating their travel between the U.S. Midwest and the West Coast.

United already serves Milan daily from Washington Dulles.

Chicago is the number one U.S. buisness city for Italy. The route has had a lack of service since AA dropped it Nov. 2001.

Source: Airwise.com


27 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

That's great, but doesn't United only serve three cities from Chicago (LHR, CDG, FRA), making Milan #4 (not #5)? Dusseldorf was moved from ORD to IAD.

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32605 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 1752 times:

Alitalia flies ORD-MXP daily. I am surprised they are launching ORD-MXP over SFO-MXP. SFO has a large Italian population and no non-stop links. They announced SFO-MXP a while ago but it never surfaced. None the less, ORD does offer more connection oppurtunites. The US-Italy market is getting a boost this summer:

ATL-FCO daily
ATL-MXP daily

BOS-MXP daily

CVG-FCO daily

EWR-FCO 2x daily
EWR-MXP 2x daily

IAD-MXP daily

JFK-FCO 3x daily
JFK-MXP 2x daily

MIA-MXP daily

ORD-FCO daily
ORD-MXP 2x daily

PHL-FCO daily

New flights to ORD, ATL, and CVG; increased flights to PHL, EWR, and JFK. But SFO and LAX are gone.



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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

Good for UA and ORD. But I wish someone other than USAir flew into Rome from the east coast or midwest. I will not fly Alitalia. Does CO?


Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlinePapatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

How about Delta from CVG TO FCO ATL TO FCO ATL TO MXP JFK TO FCO JFK TO MXP JFK TO VCE

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Well, all those who can, get on a flight to Milan then, because I have just visited this city and it is very nice indeed. And from Milan, you can take the train down to Florence, Rome, Siena etc.

Italy-Europe's home of trend, good food and great weather!

BTW, I too thought Alitalia weren't that good, but I recently flew them from MXP and FCO to LHR, and they're actually fine-I have nothing bad to say about their service.

Regards




User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

That's a good news for Milan MXP.
After that some flights to US were dropped, like ORD by AA, SFO and LAX by AZ, now this new UA service with B772 plus the new DL/AZ to ATL. And very soon AZ increase flight to Japon with NRT from 5 to 10 weekly flights and KIX from 3 to 5 weekly flights.


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

This is great news to hear from United Airlines were did got new nonstop from ORD-MXP flight and Why doesn't not use flying nonstop from ORD-FCO/IAD-FCO flight on UA flight yet. They need get beefing up with a passengers to do try get more increase flight to Italy. Well, let you guys think about it as for future by the new nonstop. Thanks!!

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7987 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

I think MXP-SFO-MXP will return once AZ gets enough 777-200ER's.

The reason is simple: unlike the 767-300(ER) AZ used earlier, the 772ER doesn't have payload restrictions flying MXP-SFO, so the plane can carry a substantial cargo load (which makes WAY more money for AZ than pax). Don't be surprised if this route is revived by the Spring of 2003.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

On June 1st Northwest returns to Rome between DTW and FCO. Northwest used to also serve Milan but dropped that service I think a year ago.

United only will have 11 international destinations out of ORD? That really surprises me. That can't be right!

Northwest has more international services out of DTW than 11


User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

UA is really determined to run themselves out business aren't they?

US to Italy was a breakeven venture at best. Hence, AA pulling out and before that TW.

Now that AZ is allied with AF and DL it's really going to get rough.

UA should learn from what they and LH did to carriers trying to fly to Germany. You don't see alot new FRA service these days do you?


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32605 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Padcrasher, it really depends. Italy attracts a lot of low-yielding tourists, but it has some very high-yielding traffic to make up for it. Chicago and Boston have the Italian communities, Miami has the fashion industry, Atlanta has connections from every US city that the flight is bound to fill up in front, and NYC is NYC. Though I guess your probably right in saying it's break-even, but US carriers seem to be expecting a good summer to Italy this year.


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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

MXP is Italy Financial capital. Thats why UA has choosen to fly to MXP over FCO. Rome has too many low-yeild tourtists, and UA has been trying to position themselves as a buisness airline.

User currently offlineParra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 18 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Especially odd as the State Department has issued warnings about US citizens travelling to Italy!

User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 1592 times:

Milan has a lot of room for new non-stop flights to US.
Today over the 50% of Milan business traveller to US, use to fly via FRA,ZRH,MUC,AMS,CPH and LHR (I don't consider CDG cause of the AF/AZ deal).
So I expect one day AA will go back, maybe to JFK in spite of ORD, and also NW from DTW.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6578 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

It seems odd to launch this route in late October which is the beginning of the slow season for European travel. Not an easy time to make money flying to Europe...

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32605 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Airblue, if AA goes back, I wouldn't be expect JFK. Already has three carriers. I wouldn't be surprised to see it from MIA, since MIA-MXP has a lot of fashion industry traffic and I'm sure they want a piece of that market that Alitalia controls. Plus the Brazil connections. DFW also would not surprise me. Milan could use a connection to another major hub. The connection possiblities are endless. Alitalia will probably be back on LAX-MXP and SFO-MXP within two years. I wouldn't expect Northwest back, however. They have AMS to feed to MXP.


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User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

United's international ORD network:

Europe (5):
London (3-4 daily)
Paris (daily)
Frankfurt (2 daily/2 daily codeshare)
Amsterdam (763 service begins 07JUN)
Milan (777 service begins 28OCT)

Latin America (2):
Mexico City (2 daily/mult codeshare)
Sao Paolo (777 daily)
Aruba (weekends)

Asia (3):
Tokyo (744 2 daily)
Hong Kong (daily)
Beijing (777 daily)

A total of 11 destinations.

As a comparison, here are the #INTL destinations from the other US gateways:

SFO (10):
LHR
FRA
CDG
MEX
NRT
KIX
TPE
PVG
HKG
SYD

IAD (9):
LHR
FRA
AMS
BRU
MXP
CDG
MUC
DUS
MEX

LAX (7):
LHR
NRT
SYD
AKL
MEX
SAL
GUA

MIA (5):
CCS
SCL
GIG
GRU
EZE

JFK (3):
LHR
NRT
EZE (discontinued 09JUN)

BOS (1):
LHR

SEA (1):
NRT

Canada is not considered INTL.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

I am quite surprised that it's a 777 rather than a 767-300. They must know what they are doing, though. In my book, ORD-Milan qualifies as a sort of 'long-and-thin' route. Here on the Boston-Heathrow route UA uses a 767-300, and I would have expected by now they'd bump it up to a 777 (like AA has). But I guess the reason they haven't is because there's already plenty of capacity on this run with BA fielding 2 747-400s and a 777; Virgin a 747-400; AA with a 777 and a 767-300. The need for something bigger may just not be there for UAL on the BOS-LHR route. Although with some fanfair a few years back UA noted that they were re-doing their terminal at Logan and that some gates would be redesigned to accept the 777. Thus far, nary a UA 777 anywhere to be seen here, save for the occasional medical/operational divert.

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32605 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Airworthy, UA also serves MVD from MIA as an extension of the EZE route and SJO from LAX as an extension of the GUA route.


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User currently offlineVermeer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 447 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

my sources inside AA tell me that they will flying into Rome very soon.

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32605 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Vermeer, tell your "sources" that they need to update themselves on AA's route network. AA flies to Rome daily from Chicago O'Hare.


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

On AA:
ORD-FCO comes back May 1st for summer seasonal service on a 763.
ORD-MXP, a sucessful route for nearly 10 years was cut post-9/11.

On NW, DTW-FCO returns summer seasonal on the DC-10. DTW-MXP didn't last long, it made it one summer. There was much hype to launch of DTW-FCO & DTW-MXP for summer 2000. The MXP route flopped fast and was taken off that fall. FCO made it to stay summer seasonal.


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

In addition, MEL is an extension of UA's SFO-SYD service.

User currently offlineGlobalDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

Strech 8,

Yes, CO flies daily to FCO on a 767-400 (down from a 777) and daily to MXP on a 767-200.


25 JC5280 : Airworthy.... You forgot HNL-NRT. But thats okay. Thats an easy one to forget. I wish HNL would get the KIX and HKG back!
26 TonyBurr : Any chance that UA will reinstate FCO service again? It has been gone for several years (also MAD).
27 MIAspotter : Username: Parra Posted 2002-04-29 18:02:45 and read 371 times. Especially odd as the State Department has issued warnings about US citizens travelling
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