AWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2862 times:
CRJ's are bad, and I hope that HP pilots can get a good scope clause in their next contract that will help eliminate some of the RJ use. Airlines are going way overboard on the use of RJ's. They need to grow the right way using mainline jets with mainline employees.
LN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2833 times:
AWA22 ... CRJ's are excellent for developing new markets. AWA would probably never consider such a route using A319, the investment is too big and the immidiate earning potential too low. However using CRJ's you are building up a customer base and brand knowledge that may open for a 'real' AWA flight later should the passenger load justify it.
So looking a little bit long term this benefits also HP pilots, not just the company
Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2829 times:
I hope your source is "reliable" enough. I haven't seen anything in HP's site about any new service to Canadian destinations. I find it weird that YEG would get any new transborder service before YYC does. Usually it's the other way around, or not at all.
I've been on a CRJ (AC YYZ-YUL) once before, and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. But that was only an hour-long flight.
What's the longest route you've ever been on in a CRJ? And how comfortable was it (or uncomfortable, given how you cringe at the thought of a YEG-PHX route)?
Lubicon From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2807 times:
A couple of notes:
1. They also have a hub in Las Vegas so maybe the route wold be YEG-LAS, not Phoenix. Would make it a littl shorter. (1192 vs 1374 miles). That puts it into RJ range (barely). AA is flying DFW-BOI in an RJ (1272 miles)
2. Air Canada flies (or flew - not sure if they discontinued it or not already) YYC-Phoenix and maybe LAS too. AW would have to compete against that whereas they would have YEG to themselves.
Planeawesome From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2768 times:
Last week I flew LAS-CIN on a B-757 and then CIN-YUL on a Canadair RJ.
The RJ was much, and I mean much more comfortable than the Boeing where I sat in row 25 (in front of the exit aisle) and could not recline my seat. Of course the person in front of me was on max recline for the whole trip.
The RJ (50 pax) was not only more spacious for me but it enplaned, deplaned and delivered the baggage much more quickly than the B-757 (200 pax).
MEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1101 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2742 times:
ORD-JAX is the longest CRJ route I've flown. It was about 2 hours long. I pulled up the block time on Air Canada's PHX-YYC route, and it was about 3hrs 5mins, so PHX-YEG would be about 3hrs 30mins, which is a little to long in my mind. Such long flights on the RJs get boring - no entertainment, and usually no meal service. NW changed eqpt on MSP-PVD-MSP to A319s (2 daily) from April 7.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7842 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2730 times:
You can be flying on a much bigger plane and get no entertainment and no meal service... So CRJ or not, I think that point is irrelevant. You can be on an AA MD-80 on ORD-PHX for example... 3 and a half hours... no movie, no audio and a bistro bag.
I've flown PHX-EUG-PHX... which tops out a little over 2 hours and I thought it was fine. The CRJ is a much more spacious aircraft than you would think... even with somebody sitting next to you. Plus it is far quieter in the cabin than any mainline jet I have flown on. If the demand for n/s service from YEG to PHX is there... then it will do well (remember I did say IF). And I believe on longer flights they will need to provision some sort of meal... probably cold stuff (like CO's famously small turkey or ham sandwiches). As for entertainment, that is what the inflight magazine is for.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
Ywg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2728 times:
A Americia West CRJ YEG-LAS would make sense as its only about a 2.5 hour flight and alot of AW's connections take place in LAS but the majority take place in the PHX hub. Does anyone else know if AW is attempting to compete with NW in their expansion to Canada? Also do they have any other cities they are looknig at besides YEG?
C172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1011 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2721 times:
I would really doubt that this route would be going to YEG. Just doesn't seem to make sense to myself, but I could be wrong.
The longest RJ flight I had was from SLC-YYC and that was more than long enough for my liking. I recently flew the CRJ-700 from SEA-YYC and that plane I could see making a 3+hr flight somewhat bearable.
But I would look to see YYC served before YEG, no offense to any edmontonians here!
Lubicon From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2714 times:
What are you referring to when you say NW is expanding their Canadian service?? I've only heard about YOW gaining some RJ service (replacing the S340) and Calgary getting a summer YYC-DTW flight. Is their some other stuff I missed?