TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4690 posts, RR: 45 Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1328 times:
An old edition of "Luftfahrt" from late 1989 has a list of air services offered by the internal German divisions of PA, TW and BA. I think that PA served Holzwickede regularly from Berlin THF.
However, I cannot prove this point until late next week, since I left my stocks of old magazines at my parent's house.
Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4136 posts, RR: 38 Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1312 times:
PA Express´operations in Germany started in 1987, it operated out of Berlin to Stockholm, Kiel, Dortmund, Strasbourg, Basel/Mulhouse, Zurich, and Innsbruck, most of them one daily flight. Equipment was the ATR 42-300. Hope it help!
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4136 posts, RR: 38 Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1287 times:
Didn´t LH buy PA´s traffic rights shortly after the wall fell? It must have been about the same frame of time when PA shut down their ops and LH started theirs. Not the best answer I know but the only thing I can offer right now.
Rizzibird From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 232 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1255 times:
This might be a little off-topic, nevertheless I dare to ask this question. I remember that Tempelhof Express had flights from THF to PAD in the late 1980s. Does anyone know whether they had flights to DTM as well? Can anyone give me some background info about that airline? Thanks in advance.
Ndebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2897 posts, RR: 24 Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1242 times:
@Tristar500: Are you sure the PanAm ATRs were flying to THF? All other PA services were flying to TXL, and I'm 99% sure that I have seen at least one of their ATRs at TXL. Might have been a diverson, I know, but I *think* the ATRs were based at TXL.
@Rizzibird: I guess you're talking about Tempelhof Airways, they had a Saab-340 and (I think) a Nord-262, not sure about the destinations. Tempelhof Express started later, mid-90s I think.
Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3760 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1201 times:
Tempelhof Airways USA started in 1985 with a Nord 262 on the PAD-THF route after they had operated a corporate shuttle on the route before. They added a second Nord 262 soon afterwards and opened a THF-DTM route, later followed by a short-lived THF-BWE route and an even shorter-lived THF-AGB route. They added Saab 340As in the late 1980s and eventually operated three of them as replacements for the Nords, using them also for routes such as THF-LUX and - shortly before they collapsed - THF-BRU. There is an interesting link between TAUSA and Pan Am as the latter had agreed to acquire a stake in TAUSA in 1987 and pulled out of the deal at the last minute after they had got an insight into all the necessary infronmation provided by TAUSA in good faith. Pan Am then set up Pan Am Express and started services, among other routes, between TXL and DTM in competition with TAUSA (that flew from THF). However, TAUSA won the fight for passengers and Pan Am Express pulled out of the route after some time.
Both Pan Am Express and TAUSA had the problem that they were - as US carriers - without traffic rights after German re-unification. TAUSA tried to cooperate with RFG for a while but when RFG decided to operate the routes in its own right, TAUSA's owners pulled the plug in 1991.
Patroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1194 times:
@Ndebele : Correct, PanAm and PanAm Express both operated out of Tegel, not Tempelhof in the 1980's. They had flights with the ATR-42 to Kiel, Westerland, Dortmund and Nuremberg if I remember correctly. I think also to hanover, where they competed with BA's ATPs...
HAJ_OW From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 113 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1168 times:
Tom is right. PanAm Express operated also on the TXL-HAJ route. They flew this in competition with BA. They operated at least until spring of 1992. I was working at HAJ Airport that time and I had a nice conversation with the flight crew of the early morning service. If I remember it right it was in May 92 and Pan Am ceased service to Berlin around June.
BA downgraded their service from 737, to BAe 748 and finally they flew the Hannover-Berlin route with a Gulftream I turboprop. Was a funny sight as a regular airliner.
Ndebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2897 posts, RR: 24 Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1144 times:
Damn, that was my 1000th post, I should have thought of something more creative. I always wanted my 1000th post to be something special, too late, damn!
Checking my old 1990/1991 jp airline-fleets, I found out that I have seen four Pan Am Express ATRs. Iremember that I have spent two full days at TXL in 1990, so I guess the number of Europe-based PA ATRs was four (maybe five).