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Emirates May Buy More A380s  
User currently offlineGF-A330 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 1643 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3828 times:

The airline's managing director says the company may buy more Airbus A380s and Boeing 777-300s within the coming months. An initial decision is expected in Jun02.

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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3638 times:
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I hope they do, i want to see them at LHR.




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User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Great news, how many have they already ordered ?

User currently onlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2468 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

This should put Airbus over the 100 aircraft milestone for the A380 though they've said they expect to announce yet another customer in the near future. That said, I don't expect to see too many more sold in the next few years, expect it to be quite awhile before they reach their 250 unit breakeven point. They need the Asian recovery to stay on track if they expect to hit that mark within the decade, I believe their original estimate (before 9/11) was to reach it in 2009. I think it may take a bit longer, now that the initial flurry of heavily discounted launch orders is out of the way.

User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

I am a huge fan of the A380, but I think Emirates may want to take it easy for a while on purchasing airplanes. I mean they are doing great now, and hopefully it stays that way, but they have already purchased 22 A380's I think, along with tons of A340's and 777's. I think that is enough for a long time in terms of capacity. Any other views?

User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1859 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Airbus doesn't need Emirates order to break the 100 mark. Qatar and FedEx should soon to have finalized their orders of 2 and 10 aircraft, respectively. There is another airline ready to order the A380, too. However, if you know some basic finance, you'll know that Airbus will not be able to breakeven with 250 units. It's PR hogwash.

User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

What does EK want with so many A380's?
Today the largest plane they have is the 777-300. They don't have a single (passenger-) 747 in their fleet so once the A380's arrive they will have a major increase of capacity that could lead to major problems since they won't only have a few but over 20... Lufthansa ordered 10 and they have 30 747-400's that they already fill up today. Well I guess the people at Emirates know what they are doing....I hope so.

Max


User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Is Emirates expanding big enough to need 22+ A380s, 26+ A330s, and dozens of 777s? I'm expecting they'll have some serious overcapacity at least with the A380s.

User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

They are overdoing it. They are most probably doing it for publicity. What on earth would EK want with over 22 A380's?

Anyway they need to secure financing for the aircraft they plan on purchasing, so let's wait and see...



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User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

Hope this will not lead to the collapse of such a great airline -EK

I kno overcapacity killed lots of airlines and debt contributed from new fleet.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

I doubt they would be doing this if payed landing fees at DXB.

User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

...or if they had to pay for a lot of expenses that normal airlines have to pay for such as fuel, which if I'm not mistaken they do not have to pay for.

Also, EK are cost cutting BIG TIME with their staff benefits, especially with the furnished appartments, dental and health coverage, etc...

For example whereas before they would pay for a surgery right away you now need to wait two years before they pay for a surgery...



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

Fuel is rumoured to account for 10% of an airline's costs!No wonder EK are doing so well lol. I think they needed the benefits to attract so many pilots in the beginning but now they are more of a well-known brand they have pilots coming to them -not the other way round!

User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3380 times:

All of a sudden EK is a bad competitor and their management is stupid because they are ordering additional A380s. What's next people are going to come up with when some airline orders A380s?

EK's aim is to be no longer one of the best airlines in the world, but to be THE BEST airline in the world. And you can only become the best if you fly the best there will be available. It's simple like that!



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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3364 times:

Manni, it's a fact that Emirates have the said advantages over the major european and american carriers. But it might be true that the boeing fans here wouldn't complain if EK would order 747-400QXblablaetc. instead of A380s...

User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

All of a sudden EK is a bad competitor and their management is stupid because they are ordering additional A380s. What's next people are going to come up with when some airline orders A380s?

Who said that the management is stupid? Can you see a market for over 40 A380s flying to DXB? I certainly can't. It doesn't mean they're stupid, just too ambitious.

EK's aim is to be no longer one of the best airlines in the world, but to be THE BEST airline in the world. And you can only become the best if you fly the best there will be available. It's simple like that!

What does flying the best aircraft have to do with anything? The refitted A330 will probably be just as comfortable as the A380, so using your argument they could just stick to A330s. Your last point does not make any sense.





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User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Who said that the management is stupid? Can you see a market for over 40 A380s flying to DXB? I certainly can't. It doesn't mean they're stupid, just too ambitious

Where people are wrong here, it's that these 40 A380s will not fly just to DXB but will be flying CONNECTING passengers through DXB's hub, jumping from an A380 to another with a duty free and/or night stop stop in DXB. Emirates is looking forward to be on of the top players as a carrier between europe and asia/australia. Just look at Singapore Airline, a major airline with a HUGE (+50) fleet of 747s based in a small country. Hub and spoke is the policy of Emirates, service quality their first goal, and the A380 the perfect tool.



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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Just look at Singapore Airline, a major airline with a HUGE (+50) fleet of 747s based in a small country. Hub and spoke is the policy of Emirates, service quality their first goal, and the A380 the perfect tool.

Singapore is a bad comparison. Singapore has a population of 3-4 million while Dubai 800K.

Singapore is located in a heavily populated part of the world, south east asia. Dubai is located in the Middle East, where not only do people fly less per capita, but it less populated.

Singapore has way more multinationals and corporations than Dubai does.

Singapore is located in a region that is politically stable. September 11th affected EK, even if they act like nothing happened!

Also, my opinion is that over 40 A380s are a ridiculous amount of planes for EK to purchase. You are entitled to your own opinion but I'm giving mine as someone living in Dubai...



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User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

Is EK receiving the first A380, or is it SQ?

Hkg82.



User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Marco

Singapore is located in a heavily populated part of the world, south east asia. Dubai is located in the Middle East, where not only do people fly less per capita, but it less populated.

Singapore has way more multinationals and corporations than Dubai does.

Not a bad comparison. Singapore's development is a step ahead. Modern Dubai is the product of the past 20 years of intensive development. Prior to that, Dubai was a small trading port, clustered around the mouth of the Creek. This development is still going on. Have you notice all the new hotels buildt these past 5 years at Jumeira Road? Just have a look to EK's fleet in 1990, a few Airbuses and 727s. What about now?


Singapore is located in a heavily populated part of the world, south east asia. Dubai is located in the Middle East, where not only do people fly less per capita, but it less populated.

Yes, but the location of DXB is still perfect for a long haul hub with connecting flights to usa/eur and asia/aus. These are the customers hunted by EK. The domestic market will slighty increase with tourism in uae as well.

Singapore is a bad comparison. Singapore has a population of 3-4 million while Dubai 800K.

Sure, but take Belgium as another example. 10 millions people living there and just take a look to our airline's fleet lists...

You might be a resident in DXB, but working in the industry, I can tell you that most of us are looking to DXB/EK with big eyes. Their future is bright.







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User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

50 747s is not accurate. To be specific, SQ has 36 Pax 747s and 10 Cargo 747s. I think 744s have 416 seats. A380s 500-550 seats. About 100 more seats on each A380 than 744. If EK wants 40 A380s, its A380 fleet will have about 4,000 more seats than SQ's 744 fleet. And I don't think EK's A380s will serve as much destinations as the number of cities SQ 744s serve now.

User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

9V-SVE

These A380s are suppose to serve till at least 2025, entering service in a few years from now. Who could give me the passengers figures for lets say 2015?....
If nothing else bigger than a 707 would be existing today, Singapore Airlines would probably be operating more than 150 of those...so oversized the A380? Not so sure...



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User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1859 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

OO-AOG:

DXB is not a good hub for Asia/USA. The majority of the Asia/USA traffic is better served via the Pacific not the Atlantic. DXB can be a good hub for S. Asia traffic.


User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

Dynkrisolo

DXB is a good hub for southwest asia (including India) traffic coming from the East coast of USA. It's shorter than the Pacific/polar routes. Indeed for northern Asia/western US coast, transpacific routes are shorter.



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Traffic to India is generally low-yield though.

25 Post contains images Manni : Marco, For all your question you asked me. I would like to point out OO-AOG's answers. I could not have said it better. As for the best aircraft. I do
26 Post contains images Ryanb741 : Well, EK could probably already upgrade their LHR flights to A380s and fill them. I would guess the Bangkok/Hong Kong and several Indian flights would
27 Post contains images Marco : Not a bad comparison. Singapore's development is a step ahead. Modern Dubai is the product of the past 20 years of intensive development. Prior to tha
28 Post contains images Manni : If you do not want to hear it, don't ask it. I wish I had looked at your profile first before replying to you. I know this will be deleted straight aw
29 Marara : BA = Downsizing EK = Massive Growth
30 Emirates777 : I would just say that Emirates A380s aren't due till 2006. And the 22 or 40 A380s will not arrive all at once. You have to look at Emirates fleet plan
31 Marco : If you do not want to hear it, don't ask it. I wish I had looked at your profile first before replying to you. Did I ask anything? I gave my opinion,
32 9V-SVE : Yup, 40 is WAY to much. About 18-24 should do it. These routes would support the A380: LHR FRA CDG Cities around the Gulf including Pakistan SIN JFK S
33 KHI747 : If EK had the A380 today....they could fill up every single evening flight out of KHI.That flight, currently operated by B772/773,never seems to have
34 KHI747 : I must say that i completely agree 100% with Emirates777 assessment of this issue..
35 Post contains images Dash8Driver : EK777, you're right!!! Regards Dash8Driver
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