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340-500 Vs 380  
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

On the US routes, won't the -500 siphon off the premium class services (F and C) that would be required to make the 380 profitable? Even with the steep discounts for ownership, I would think the operating costs would demand that these classes be fairly full.

I know we touched on this in another thread..but I couldn't find it....

Any comments?

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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

That is an interesting point especially when applied to SQ's SIN-LAX route. If I recall correctly, they plan to operate both aircraft on the route with the 380 stopping in either TPE or NRT.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Singapore_air? It's a legitimate question?

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

N79969,

I do think about SQ will have a new nonstop as for 2003 by the routes from SIN-LAX flight as for ultra long-haul nonstop to the West coast into USA. All, I do exactly hear about alot myself on the internet by a.net. And also, this is future decide as for new nonstop from SIN-SFO, SIN-JFK or EWR flight into of the future. That is more than of 8,000 miles of around the world. You could to be try get on new aircraft A340-500 or B777-200LR. This is very very long flight. No more than 14 hours inside of your airplanes. You will could be get a tired on the airplanes and get a sleep. Express yourself on the airplanes. Well, that it as for now.


User currently offlineSquigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Uhoh, another Airbus vs. Airbus battle  Big grin

I posted an economic analysis of the impact of the a380 on both Boeing and Airbus models. It found that while it slightly decreased demand for the 747, it greatly decreased demand for the a340.

That post was deleted, though. I guess it was too risque...



Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

I wonder if Airbus will make an A380SP to solve the problem. If the economics of the seat/range trade off work, that could be a real threat to the 747. I think it would be a really difficult engineering feat though.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

This has nothing to do with Boeing.

I'm just curious about the dilution of yield by having the 340-500 flying the same route as the 380 (albeit with a stopover).


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

The 747 remark was a tangent. But a hypothetical A380SP would actually kill the 345 also if it were to be built.

I wonder Airbus is thinking about the 345/380 issue. And SQ or EK for that matter?


User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 997 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

"I wonder if Airbus will make an A380SP to solve the problem. If the economics of the seat/range trade off work, that could be a real threat to the 747. I think it would be a really difficult engineering feat though."

They already are planning a shorter A380, the -700, which will having longer range and be a close competitor to the 744.


User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 997 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

"But a hypothetical A380SP would actually kill the 345 also if it were to be built. "

How so? Some routes are thinner than others, and most airlines will have no need for an A380 sized aircraft.

Its the same "twilight zone" logic where people claim that SIA could not operate both the A345 and 744XQLR in the same fleet.

The A340-500 and A380-700 have only one thing in common - very long range. But that's all.


User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

This is quite similar to what some people thought about boeing and the 744 in competition with the 777.
I still think there is room for a the A380, and even a shorter A380, as there is a massive gap between the 747 (which is 'old' technology, even with the XQLR badge) and the A380.
damn, gotta run....



Saint Augustine- 'The world is a book and those who do not travel, read only 1 page'
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

Back to the original question then...does anyone have insight on it?

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

Hmmm... yes and no.

The premium business pax would most certainly prefer a n/s SIN-LAX flight. But SQ has traffic rights on SIN-TPE/NRT/ICN-LAX/SFO. So there would most certainly be enough traffic on all segments to minimize this dillution.



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User currently offlineDash8Driver From Germany, joined Apr 2002, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

Does Boeing have a counterpart to the Airbus a340-500???

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Boeing's entry is the 772LR. DesertJets makes a good point. Fifth freedom traffic will boost the number o premium pax on a given flight.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7987 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Don't dimiss the idea of an A380SP.

For example, Airbus has been studying the shortened A380-700, which will offer 480 seats in three-class seating but longer range. It's possible that Airbus could offer an A380-700 in a higher MTOW version that will allow flights up to 8,800 nautical miles, which could allow for non-stop flights on routes like JFK-JNB year-round.


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