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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1281 times:

Well I am bored at the moment and have absolutely nothing to do. So I thought I'd compile a list of all of Frontier's routes (and coming ones) and the frequency they have.

The list includes all flights on weekdays. Most routes have a reduced schedule on weekends.

So here we go:

Frontier Airlines destinations
Frontier JetExpress destinations
Frontier Airlines & Frontier JetExpress destinations

Albuquerque (ABQ) - 3
Atlanta (ATL) - 2
Austin (AUS) - 2
Baltimore (BWI) - 2
Boise (BOI) - 2 (service starts June 24)
Boston (BOS) - 1 (increases to 2 flights June 24)
Chicago (MDW) - 3
Dallas (DFW) - 4
El Paso (ELP) - 2 (stops in ABQ)
Ft. Lauderdale (FLL) - 1 (increases to 2 flights July 26)
Houston (IAH) - 3 (2 of the flights operated by Frontier JetExpress)
Indianapolis (IND) - 2 (service starts May 23)
Kansas City (MCI) - 4
Las Vegas (LAS) - 4
Los Angeles (LAX) - 4
Minneapolis/St. Paul (MSP) - 3 (1 of the flights operated by Frontier JetExpress, 4th flight on Frontier starts May 27)
New Orleans (MSY) - 2
New York (LGA) - 2
Omaha (OMA) - 3
Ontario (ONT) - 3
Orlando (MCO) - 2 (a 3rd flight is operated on Saturdays)
Phoenix (PHX) - 5 (most heavily served Frontier destination)
Portland (PDX) - 2 (increases to 3 flights June 24)
Reno (RNO) - 2
Sacramento (SMF) - 2
Salt Lake City (SLC) - 3 (increases to 4 flights July 26)
San Diego (SAN) - 4 (1 of the flights operated by Frontier JetExpress)
San Francisco (SFO) - 4
San Jose (SJC) - 3
Seattle (SEA) - 4
St. Louis (STL) - 3
Tampa (TPA) - 1 (service starts June 24)
Washington D.C. (DCA) - 1

One thing that is different about Frontier compared to other low-fare carriers is they aim at having a large route network. While other low-fare carriers such as JetBlue, AirTran, etc. all aim at having frequency (JetBlue in perticular).

Maybe eventually Frontier will start aiming at increasing frequency as a lot of there routes are only served with 2 flights a day.

Regards


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
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User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1216 times:

Out of all the smaller low fare U.S. carriers, I think that Frontier has the best shot of going international. (JetBlue's new San Juan service shouldn't count cause it's really not international.) They fly to more cities than any other U.S. low fare carrier (Except Southwest), don't they?

Take Care,
National_757


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1213 times:

National_757,

Frontier said they plan to start service to Canada by 2005 or 2006, yeah you are probably right.

I believe AirTran has more cities than Frontier aswell. They have a much larger fleet than AirTran. And of course, Southwest has the most.

Other than that, I think they have more cities than any other low-fare. I could be forgetting an airline though...

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1204 times:

That's great news. By 2005 or 2006, I see great things for Frontier. They started small with only two 737s and now look where they are. I hope that they can really become the size of maybe ATA or even America West in the future.

Take Care,
National_757


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5001 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1198 times:

Frontier has to deal with UA in DEN. They have no intention of trying to match UA in either frequency or capacity on ANY route, as UA (even in their present state) would retaliate. UA kind of tolerates Frontier and acknowledges them as a rational competitor.


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1192 times:

OzarkD9S,

UA isn't really a problem for Frontier. Frontier has suceeded in Denver regardless of UA. UA has relatively expensive fares and targets the high-yield business market, while Frontier has lower fares and targets the low-fare leisure market.

2 different market. If UA retaliates by adding more flights, Frontier will still succeed.

Frontier grew from a small airline with only 2 737s, to a fleet of 30 aircraft. I don't see any reason why they can't increase frequency on there current routes.

AirTran competes with Delta in Atlanta (ATL), and they have quite a bit of frequency.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24999 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1177 times:
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BA:

You and I agree about the relationship between Frontier and UAL at Denver, but I go one step further than you.

Frontier acts as a kind of safety valve for UAL, and I think they know it. There would have been chaos at DIA during the summer of hell, for example, if UAL hadn't been able to shuffle passengers on to Frontier.

Equally, by tolerating Frontier, UAL keeps the DOJ off it's back (and a few other Fed bodies). UAL can reasonably argue that they are allowing "competition".

But in the end, what kind of a threat is Frontier to UAL? By 2005, Frontier will have 45 aircraft. That's great news for Frontier supporters (and shareholders), but to enormous UAL - Big Woo! 45 planes? Wow!

So, for Frontier's sake, I hope UAL survives and flourishes at DEN.

As for Frontier going international? I'd vote for somewhere in Canada (Montreal, the forgotten city?) and Monterrey in Mexico.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineDelta767-400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 228 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

Just thought I would say that the local people in Denver hate UA and most will only fly F9 or connect me included. I was having this conversation with my dad about F9 and how not only have they not sent any planes to the desert but they are expending the last 2 times I was on F9 the plane was 100% full and that was in March.




User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1143 times:

National_757, airTran already flies international. Daily to Freeport/FPO. The first of the rest to go international will likely be jetBlue, who has already stated thier intention to start flights to Caribbean destinations such as Aruba.


a.
User currently offlineFrontierMan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1131 times:

"UA isn't really a problem for Frontier. Frontier has suceeded in Denver regardless of UA. UA has
relatively expensive fares and targets the high-yield business market, while Frontier has lower fares
and targets the low-fare leisure market. "-BA
I could not see more fallacy in this statement. UA is a huge problem for F9, and has been for the past 8 years. UA countinually dumps fares and capacity on Frontier routes, especially to DFW. May I remind you the lawsuit that was filed with the DOJ in conjunction with Vanguard over 3 years ago. High-yield business market? How untrue. I suppose the United "Shuttle" was created to lure all of those high yield business travelers to unassigned seating, and no meals. F9 has a 9% share of Denver's market. Are you telling ME that 91% of the market is business travelers heading for UA and other airlines? F9 has stressed in numerous quarterly and annual reports how it targets business travelers with its corporate travel programs. You must admit that UA hampers F9's operations significantly with more competition, and in some cases, predatory practices.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1103 times:

FrontierMan,

You really no nothing about Frontier's situation in Denver.

And what's up with bringing up United Shuttle? They only had 5 routes from Denver! Boise, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, and Colorado Springs.

Frontier was one of only 3 airlines to show a profit during the first quarter. Not only that, but in the month of September, Frontier made a profit while United and other airlines lost BIG time.

Frontier's profits continue to sour every month. Thanks to Frontier, United fares at DEN are not as bad as they could be.

United has ignored Frontier over the years and simply monitored there growth, that is all. They have not done any drastic moves to take away passengers from Frontier. They let it be, and let Frontier passengers go to Frontier, and loyal United passengers to stick with United.

Yes, United does compete with Frontier. But tell me.......since when did competition pose a problem for Frontier? Never.......

By the way, some FYI for you. Most business travelers who are loyal UA customers and gave Frontier a try simply went back to United. The fact is Frontier attracts leisure travelers while United is the opposite. United's fares are obviously higher than Frontier's, but United provides many many many services that Frontier doesn't such as more connections, more amenities, etc. Fronter has low-fares and little service and definately not nearly as many connections as United.

They target different niches. By the way, Frontier has filed a law suit against United Airlines twice already for anti-competitive actions. United tried to kill Frontier but during the past 3 years, they've backed off and learned to accept Frontier.

As a result, United is not a problem for Frontier.

Frontier has other problems to worry about such as new low-fare carriers moving in such as Spirit Airlines which starts service from DTW and FLL this Thursday.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1084 times:

>>Frontier's profits continue to sour every month.<<

I'm assuming you mean soar. Isn't this the second time you accidentally switched the two terms? j/k.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1075 times:

Lowfareair,

ERRR.....you got me again!!!!! LOL

Yes, I need to work on that stupid word. I meant SOAR but accidently spelled it SOUR.

 Smile

You are my official spell checker from now on. Big grin

Take care.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMikeybien From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1056 times:

I don't fully agree with the statement that F9 is a leisure carrier. My reasoning: Last minute business fares for F9, while generally much cheaper than UA, can still be higher than $1000. I think that's a little steep for the average leisure traveler on a domestic flight. I don't think F9 would set those prices unless somebody was paying for them...

It may not be the UA premier members, but I'd venture to guess more and more business travelers that don't care about Red Carpet Clubs and E+ are willing to save a couple hundred $ and fly F9. F9 may be low-frills, but to be frank UA isn't exactly high-frills... with the exception of a few far east coast destinations from DEN, the service on F9 is practically the same (minus IFE).


User currently offlineBonanzaFunjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1042 times:

Does F9 have 30 airplanes?

I know that Airtran has 30 717's and 30 DC-9's. The plan is to take 20 more 717's this year and retire 14 DC-9's.

Bonanza


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1039 times:

BonanzaFunjet,

Yes, Frontier has 30 planes right now.

7 737-200s
17 737-300s
6 A319-100s

They plan to grow to 45 planes by 2004.

National_757,

AirTran has 38 destinations total (including ATL and the rest of its hubs). Frontier has 34 destinations (including it's hub, DEN), 33 of which are served non-stop (El Paso is 1-stop through Albuquerque).

So Frontier is getting there.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFrontierMan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

Did I ever say F9 was unprofitable? I know everything about Frontier; I am an F9 investor. I even know that originally the company was created to be a United Connection carrier. How dumb do you think UA is? Do you think they went all that time without noticing F9? Come on, they're smarter than that. UA started shuttle to compete directly with F9, and deter F9 from entering Boise. Isn't it funny how F9 is serving Boise at this stage in the game AFTER "Shuttle" was dismantled. UA brought in lower-paid staff @ SHUTTLE to compete DIRECTLY with F9. UA SHUTTLE was the "drastic" move to sway customers away from F9. I'm curious where you gather your HARD facts to back up all of you generalizations. What defines "service"? United is the PROBLEM for F9. The airline has to be careful because UA is desperate to turn a profit, and has large financial means at their disposal. The LAST thing Frontier needs is an all-out fare war from United as a "last stand" by the bleeding bohemeth.

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1028 times:
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I think that F9 has more to gain from a fare war than UA would. UA is waiting tables and living on credit cards right now... they can't afford a fare war with anyone, much less F9.

They also can't afford a lawsuit, and I don't think that anyone in Washington is going to look the other way anymore now that we're entering a consolidation phase.

F9 is a big, big problem for UA right now. F9 is growing profitably, UA is not. F9 has big plans for the future that they can afford, and UA isn't sure where their next cash infusion is going to come from after they burn through what they do.

UA is in the middle of management turmoil (although their 'stable' management the past 2-3 years has been anything but stellar), and they are constantly taking their eye off the ball while F9 capitalizes. If UA can't get their house in order, F9 will have grown to the point where they can't just be wiped away with a fare war.

I don't see F9 going away anytime soon, and neither does the market. Look at the ratings and recommendations. Look at the Altman-Z comparisons of finanical health and business stability: Frontier is second only to Southwest. United is in the basement with the rest of the majors.

I also am a F9 investor. I have been for a long time, and I've decided to add to my position BECAUSE of the situation with UA. F9 has everything to gain and UA has everything to lose.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1022 times:

UA started shuttle to compete directly with F9, and deter F9 from entering Boise. Isn't it funny how F9 is serving Boise at this stage in the game AFTER "Shuttle" was dismantled. UA brought in lower-paid staff @ SHUTTLE to compete DIRECTLY with F9. UA SHUTTLE was the "drastic" move to sway customers away from F9.

LOL! That is completely false again.

United started Shuttle for high frequency low-fare service along the West Coast to compete against Southwest. It had NOTHING to do with Frontier.

Then they brought Shuttle service to Denver and served SLC, PHX, and LAS. That's it.

Then it later expanded to include BOI and COS.

Frontier is starting BOI service in response to Horizon Air starting BOI-DEN. NOT because of UA.

UA has been flying BOI-DEN for ages, they wouldn't all of a sudden start now for no reason.

It's simple, they started BOI in response to Horizon Air.

Not only that, but they increased frequency to PDX to 3 flights when Horizon Air started service from PDX to DEN.

Not only that, but Frontier announced they would add a 2nd FLL flight shortly after Spirit Airlines announced DTW-DEN and FLL-DEN. Hmmm.....how ironic?

It's as simple as that.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1014 times:
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Further evidence of the response to Alaska/Horizon (besides new BOI service and increased PDX service) is their promotion for EarlyReturns members to earn a free ticket after 4 roundtrips DEN-SEA or DEN-PDX.

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1001 times:

Flashmeister,

That's true.

Frontier has been very aggressive with newcomers. Alaska Airlines and Spirit Airlines are the best examples.

On a side note, Frontier JetExpress will consist of 7 to 8 CRJs by the end of the year.

Not 100% sure, but those 7 to 8 CRJs could already be in use.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
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