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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

Hello,

The following article on Aviationnow.com seems (again I think seems must be emphasized) to say that easyJet have gone Airbus:

***quote from Aviationnow.com***

Airbus issued its optimistic outlook despite the potential merger of British low-cost carriers Go and easyJet. John Leahy, Airbus executive VP Sales, said easyJet "had decided to go with 75 Airbus" planes for its expansion plans.

Leahy added that Airbus is "hopeful" that the joint company would again prefer Airbus models.

***(unquote)***

Source: http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_comm.jsp?view=story&id=news/cabup0506.xml

Okay so the original Go and the orginal easyJet both selected Airbus. Is it safe to presume the new and expanded easyJet will do likewise?

Jeremiah




Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

The combined pilot base of EZY and GO will be quite large,so re type rating is going to cost a few bob.Will Airbus have sweetened the deal in this way some how?

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1751 times:

I'll believe an Airbus order when I see an Easyjet press release.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

Was it EZY who said they could do 19 minute turnarounds with the 319 due to its wider cabin than the 73G?Somone said it and I can't remember who.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1718 times:

The biggest problem is that the A32X is unproven. No one knows if it is reliable enough for loco ops, even if the price is rediculously low. easyJet know that the 737NG is suitable for them.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

I think the A319 appears to work for high-frequency operations. At least US Airways' shuttle flights on the BOS-LGA-DCA route are using the A319 with no major mechanical faults.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

US Airways is very different than easyJet. There are no Airbus operators with the same business plan and routes and timings that easyJet has. The A32X would be a gamble.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

Donder10..

Please explain how a one inch wider aisle makes for a faster turnaround?!?!?

That's one of the silliest things I've heard.


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

Hello,

That faster turnaround comment was made in the Orders Group before being taken back. Wider aisles = people moving in and out of the aircraft quicker. Perhaps not a huge difference but I can see a 1 or 2 minute difference.

Jeremiah



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Donder10..

Please explain how a one inch wider aisle makes for a faster turnaround?!?!?

That's one of the silliest things I've heard

I said that I had heard it somewhere so dont ask me how it works!I thought it had been tested which in my view explained the 19 minutes -obviously it was bollocks.As 777236ER said,the 737 is a tried and tested plane that works well with the low-cost carriers model.I have heard that generally the 32X series has an advantage over the 737NG on longer routes-and EZY do have quite a few long routes-Athens from LGW,LPL,LTN, PMI from LGW,LPL etc.There are also bound to be complications with the switch from 733/G to 319.Although the 32X is wider than the 73G conterpart,it is longer?If EZY were to put the same number of seats that they have in the 73g into the 319 would be the seat pitch less?
Regards,donder10


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

Teahan, simple things such as the higher cargo door which requires a belt to reach will cost more time. Those last minute bags are a doddle to load on the 737.

User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

The A320 has proven itself to work well with low cost carriers. Look at JetBlue, they seem to make a ton of money with A320s.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

1 airline YOW.And they do alot of transcons don't they?This would seem to support the fact that the 320 is a good plane for longer routes.

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

I hear the A319/320 suffer inordinate wear and tear on their landing gear in high-cycle operations. I think I read it in this forum. The B737 can take a beating and proves it everyday. JetBlue flies pretty long flights relative to the typical low-cost carrier.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

jetBlue has a completly different business plan and route network than easyJet.

User currently offline0A340 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

I hear this, I hear that, what a convincing argument this is!!!

Let's see, how many 320-family aircraft are out there?

Some 1670 aircraft are in OPERATION, with 98 operators, as of 28 february, 2002 (per Official Airbus data)
High-density, low density, premium, charter airlines, high cycles, low cycles all the variety.
Don't you tell me that the AirFrance Navette fleet is not high-cycle, high-density planes!! Don't tell me that Frontier is using their A319s once a day!!

The only reason the lo-co started with the 737 was the abudance of cheap, second-hand 737's!!! Low starting costs, that is. And once you start with something, even if the competition is slightly better, you wouldn't change.

Unless there is a big scale acquisition there is no reason for Airbus to undercut prices to get in the fray. I understand that the EasyGo situation has now enough momentum for Airbus to get serious in making a swap offer...

George


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

What I read was based on NWA's experience with the aircraft.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Air France's operation is different than easyJets. Yes, high cycle. Look at turn around time. jetBlue, again, different routes. Airtours, Air 2000 etc etc, look at frequencies, routes and turn around times. Completly different.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

Airbus must be a bit flustered by losing the Ryanair order..so I think they'll make absolutley sure they don't miss out on EasyJet/Go.

The fact they were willing to actually alter and recertify the aircraft (319 with add'l exits) to get another two seats int he plane probably says it all.....


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

I doubt Airbus expected to get the Ryanair order really.FR were using the 'threat' of an Airbus order against Boeing to get a lower price on the 738s they ordered.They also threatened to get second hand 737s further pushing the price down.MOL did a good job getting his order in before EZY as I doubt Boeing will discount EZY to the same tune as they did for FR.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

You have a valid point of their threat of 'used' equipment. But don't underestimate the frustration of losing a large contract in your own backyard. Much the same when NW chose the 330 and Jetblue the 320...it's embarassing for the manufacturers when the 'local' product doesn't win.

Airbus is keen to have their product placed with a low cost carrier...it says a lot about their reliablity and economics. Although I'm partial to Boeing order...I think this one was decided politically long ago....


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13210 posts, RR: 77
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

How can a low-cost carrier with no ties to goverments, be affected by some shadowy 'political' pressure?


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

I don't understand this completly stupid A vs B discussion. Both airliners are excellent and have proven their reliability in all kind of operations (short-haul, high or low density etc.). Thousends of both airliners are in service with many satisfied airlines. Where is the point?

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

ZRH, the point is (again) the A319/A320 hasn't been proven in an easyJet-esque operation.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

GDB...who said it was 'shadowy'???
It's a matter of vanity, really. Airbus will want this order more than Boeing because it's European. It's almost a matter of patriotism.

All airlines have ties to governments..either for ownership or landing rights, etc.

ZRH..it's called a discussion.


25 ZRH : 777236ER: Can you give me any reason why such a reliable aircraft could not operate in a "easy-jet operation"????
26 777236ER : ZRH, i'm not saying it can't (although there are design features which favour the 737), but on the other hand, can you give me proof that it CAN?! Giv
27 Teahan : Hello, Firstly I think we should realise that both easyJet and Go went in favour of the A320 family. Whether the new company does the same or not coul
28 Racko : I don't think Boeing can again offer a "buy one get one free" deal like they offered to Ryanair. Every 737 sold to Ryanair costs Boeing lots of money.
29 0A340 : Dear 777236ER Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it hasn't been proven. EasyJet-esque operation means ~12hrs daily usage, on 3-hr max operati
30 777236ER : I think we should realise that both easyJet and Go went in favour of the A320 family Yeah, tell me about that order again? No order was ever placed. Y
31 ZRH : As Jeremiah said, there are a lot of European airlines which use their 32x on very short-haul with short turnarounds. Perhaps 6, 7 or more times a day
32 Parra : greg. Within the EU any airline can operate between any two points regardless of what any individual government thinks. If EZY want to fly from Sevill
33 777236ER : AF, LH, Frontier, United, USAirways, IB, British, AmericaWest, and lots of other airlines that used/use BOTH the 737 and the 320 and PROVE that the 73
34 Teahan : 777236ER, Yeah, tell me about that order again? No order was ever placed. You're wrong. Did I say order? No! I said selected the A320 family. As you k
35 777236ER : Leahy has never lied in the past, eh Teahan? The fact is, without an order who knows if they selected the A320?
36 ZRH : ER236ER: It's a pretty big risk to take. Where is here the "pretty big risk"???? lol
37 Teahan : Hello, Swiss', BA's, IB's etc. sectors are not much longer than easyJet's. Look at some of Swiss' sectors. Geneva-Zurich, Zurich-Vienna, Zurich-Frankf
38 777236ER : ZRH, any new aircraft type is a big risk.
39 Teahan : 777236ER, A German magazine (Manager-Magazine) apparently (since I haven't seen it with my own eyes) said the easyJet Airbus order would be finalised
40 777236ER : Swiss', BA's, IB's etc. sectors are not much longer than easyJet's. Look at some of Swiss' sectors. Geneva-Zurich, Zurich-Vienna, Zurich-Frankfurt, Zu
41 Racko : Well, with 1500+ aircraft in use and 14 years of A320 experience, i'm quite sure that if their is a design flaw in the A320 which prevents it from bei
42 777236ER : Teahan, until I see the press-release from easyJet or GO I won't believe it. Sorry. This has happened in the past -- don't believe magazines.
43 Teahan : 777236ER, People's original argument (here and elsewhere) was structural weaknesses with many landings and take-offs. My last argument about the route
44 777236ER : Racko, 737: integrated airstairs (proven, unlike the hastily added A319CJ-esque airstairs that AI added to the A319 to make it more attractive), easy
45 Post contains images ZRH : 777236ER. The A32x new aircraft typ?????
46 777236ER : ZRH, A32X = A318/A319/A320/A321.
47 Teahan : 777236ER, Not attacking you but isn't the A318/A319/A320/A321. reffered to as the A32S. AFAIK, A32X was officially used on the various versions (for i
48 777236ER : Yeah, I know, I was using A32X to mean not the A320 family, but any member of the A320 family. My bad.
49 ZRH : I know what 32x means. But it is not a new aircraft typ at all. 10 years in service with ALL kind of operations. The easy jet operation is not so uniq
50 Post contains images 777236ER : SWISS is very different from easyJet. How many times do I have to say it? I'm not attacking you, but read what I say. Are the SWISS aircraft used on h
51 Mac100 : Not to forget the USairways Shuttle service between BOS/LGA/DCA
52 Voodoo : The old 320-100ss BA inherited from BCal's order tend to do UK domestics, do they not? How many sectors /cycles do they average/day? I recall a BA sta
53 777236ER : Nope. The BCal A320-100/200s don't/didn't do UK domestics. They did Euro flights, and they didn't have very quick turnarounds or a huge number of sect
54 Post contains images EGGD : They carry different passengers You think that easyjet passengers will be fatter? producing more wear on the tires? Lets face it, someone has to take
55 Donder10 : A main reason alot of carriers have taken the 32X is cockpit commanality.It was rumoured to save Swissair $35M a year.EZY will prob be using just 1 ty
56 A388 : Let's just wait until the order has been announced by EasyJet/Go and/or the aircraft manufacturer. Rumours have that EasyJet/Go favour the A320 family
57 F4N : To all: I would suggest a great deal of caution regarding what one has to consider a very unusual statement by Mr. Leahy. In general, such things are
58 Greg : I just think the decision is too easy. After the debacle of losing the Ryanair order and a split KLM order (not to mention Alitalia's 777's coming onl
59 Airbus_A340 : I think that you guys have to remember that the guys at the airline have done their research for this! I am sure they know what they are doing and hav
60 Airblue : The point is: - LH,AF,BA have usually a turnaround time from their timetable between 50/60 minutes. Sometime during the day in order to respect the hu
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