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Why The Is There An "S" In "Finals"  
User currently offlineAviationLaw From United States of America, joined May 2002, 10 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2876 times:

I have often wondered about the frequent use of the word "finals" on this board. My understanding is that aircraft make a "final approach". Aircraft in a traffic pattern turn onto "final" from the base leg of the approach, or they are guided onto a "final" approach. I have never seen the word "finals" used outside of this website.

Is this simply a function of the differences in the use of english from region to region? Is this a convention on this website? Am I just a complete moron for wondering about this?

Thanks in advance

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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2807 times:

The correct term is "final", and NOT "finals". Finals is a slang thing that's crept into the aviation vocabulary over the years.

If you learn to fly, you will get castigated by your instructor if you use "finals".

Andy


User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

I must also have a bit too much time on my hands because I've thought about the same thing. Maybe a difference between US english and Queen's english ?? IMO it's without the "s".


My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.
User currently offlineUALDUDE From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

I have wondered why people say that also! It is not correct. I am a pilot and when you call ATC, you say you are on "final", not "finals." You see it used so much though. There is only one final. Thanks.

User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

I have only seen "finals" used on this website and it is absolutely wrong. The legs of a traffic pattern are upwind, crosswind, downwind, base and final. None of these are pluralized, ever.

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/760738/

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/702547/

etc

(btw. in the second thread I take back my statement, Final is so much better!)

Regards

Dan  Smile


User currently offlineCainanuk From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

We use the term "finals" all day long at work. While I agree it is incorrect, that doesnt mean that it is not used in everyday aviospeak. Pilots call in all day and tell us "Finals in 10 minutes" etc etc....Doesnt mean its right, just common.


Cainan Cornelius
User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6493 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

I have to say that I have never heard "finals" used and I have been flying for many years.

User currently offlineJetskipper From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

I am a pilot for a U.S. carrier. The only time I have ever heard finals used is when talking about getting the final weight count for the flight (passengers and cargo). For instance a fligth attendant or gate agent will hand us a manifest and say "here are your finals". That's the only time I have ever heard it used.

User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

I too have never heard of the term "finals" in aviation.
You can always tell the non aviation people when they use that term. Jetskipper refers to a different sort of "finals." I have heard the term as "the numbers."
The one thing that I have never liked was the term "rudders." On every aircraft I have ever flown there have always been just ONE RUDDER!

Maybe the confusion is the 2 rudder pedals, but I always chastize pilots when I hear them say rudders as it is just plain wrong.
Clipper



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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

The one thing that I have never liked was the term "rudders." On every aircraft I have ever flown there have always been just ONE RUDDER!

Then you've never flown the most beautiful airplane in the world Clipper. I refer to none other than the magnificent Lockheed Constellation, which certainly did and still does have more than one rudder! Big grin

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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2812 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

I have heard this term used on numerous occasions with my scanner. Although this is a somewhat interesting topic, quite frankly, who cares?

User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Finals is mostly used in the UK by PPL pilots, but is actually a wrong word to use.
Final is the correct one indeed!!



Shiek!
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

Jeez, I look forward to a day when aviation communication is standardised to such an extent that this discussion actually matters.

Yes, the term is "final". No, it doesn't make any difference in the big picture if you use "finals".

In my opinion there are far more worrying differences in aviation phraseology to be concerned about.


User currently offlineCactuscmh From United States of America, joined May 2001, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Since we are on the English grammer topic, I want to ask everyone a grammer question too. Why the word "airlines" or "airways" is always in pural form when it is after a name, for example, United Airline(s), American Airline(s) or British Airway(s)?

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Er...it's not always plural:

http://www.cityairline.com/

By the way, the word is "grammar".


User currently offlineSunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 783 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

I listen to the scanner quite often and never hear the term “finals”. I have heard it said by spotters and photographers.

This is off topic, but the 747 and some other airliners have two rudders. The idea is to place each one on a separate hydraulic system so that it one fails there is still some control available.

Sunil



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