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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 899 times:

There has been a lot of criticism here about security procedures since Sept 11. So let's take another survey. I'm going to list some scenarios, both in place and imagined. I wnat you to rate them on a scale of 1 to 10. A lower score means the measure(s) are absolutely and totally unncessary (and purely for show) and a higher score means it is an urgent priority that if not already in place must be done so not a minute too soon.

feel free to elaborate on why you gave the score that you did (aside from the one star rating that this post will likely garner).

1. Allowing ticketed passengers only beyond the screening areas

2. Random strip searches of passengers and luggage with visual inspection of luggage contents (not X-ray or CAT scan)

3. Total strip searches for each and every passenger up to and including cavity searches

4. Mental/verbal interviewing of each passenger (a.k.a. pshychological evaluation)

5. Restraining all passengers in the cabin prior to takeoff

6. No standing up within 30 minutes of takeoff or landing

7. All windows in the airport and aircraft sealed off to prevent outside viewing

8. Replacing all existing private sector security personnel with Federally trained experts

9. Arming pilots and/or Flight attendants

10. Keeping armed militia inside the airports roaming around in the dozens or hundreds

11. Initiating a "flight license" program where all passengers, present and future, above the age of 16 must pass a full disclosure FBI background investigation resulting in a "license to fly" being issued. Failure to pass will result in denial to travel on any commercial airliner. License must be "renewed" every two years. Persons not in posession of a valid license will be denied sale of a ticket and boarding. Any person that attempts to do so shall be subject to arrest.

12. All passengers must submit retinal scans, voice recordings, fingerprinting, and DNA samples prior to being allowed to travel (sort of ties in with #11)

13. Complete and total abolishion of all carry on items, regardless of size. This includes keys and wallets.

14. Mandatory "Sky Marshalls" on all flights. Minimum of 1 Marshall for every 20 passengers. Commuter aircraft seating less than 40 pax will have 2 Marshalls.

15. Along with item #5, all persons shall be blindfolded for the duration of their time on an airliner. Persons will be escorted onto the aircaft in groups of 5.






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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 882 times:

1. 2 (This is like not letting someone in a mall unless they can prove that they are going to buy something)

2. 3 (We should be able to use technology to be able to spot with relative certainty whether or not someone is carrying a prohibited item)

3. 3 (Too inefficient)

4. 6 (If done by well-trained prople)

5. 1 (Does more harm than good; it is possible that no one would be able to get out of a burning plane in the event of an emergency)

6. 2 (A terrorist who know what he's doing can easily plan around this)

7. 1 (You mean, build a prison?)

8. 2 (Look at what they did to most programs that were previously handled by private firms.)

9. 8 (The captain should carry a gun and be trained on how to use it)

10. 3 (Specially-trained police officers would be more effective)

11. 2 (any Charles Bishops' out there? A terrorist could use a 15-year-old)

12. 5 (this sound a little fishy with privacy issues, but that aisde, it's better than Photo-IDs for verifying who is traveling)

13. 2 (A terrorist will find a way around this one [because every rule has an exception, what about medication?], so why penalize innocent people?)

14. 7 (One for every twenty sound a little excessive, but there should be someone onboard trained to deal with hijackings)

15. 1 (come on now, don't get rediculus)

How about some "real" security, such as bomb-proof cargo compartments?



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineHA2vegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 876 times:

Doesn't anyone realize that arming the cockpit will encourage pilots to do the one thing they should never, ever do....to open the cockpit door during an attempted hijacking!!

User currently offlineNonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 873 times:

1. Allowing ticketed passengers only beyond the screening areas
10 We need to keep congestion to a minimum.

2. Random strip searches of passengers and luggage with visual inspection of luggage contents (not X-ray or CAT scan)

1 Strip searches would cripple the airline industry. I wonder how random it would be anyway? I have heard the stories about attractive women having problems as it is.

3. Total strip searches for each and every passenger up to and including cavity searches

1 Simply put, it will never happen. Who would support something like this?

Mental/verbal interviewing of each passenger (a.k.a. pshychological evaluation)

5 This could be a possibility as long as it is done right. It must somehow be efficient.

Restraining all passengers in the cabin prior to takeoff

1 Sounds very costly. Who is going to pay for the restraining equipement? I can see it now. 10$ restraining fee on each leg flown.

6. No standing up within 30 minutes of takeoff or landing

1 This is one of your "cosmetic" features. I dont think that the 9-11 planes were hijacked at takeoff. It was done later in the flight. Besides, when you gotta go, you gotta go.

7. All windows in the airport and aircraft sealed off to prevent outside viewing

1 One word:paranoia

8. Replacing all existing private sector security personnel with Federally trained experts

1, if the same people now are made into the experts.

10, if this is done right and you get people who have a clue at the checkpoint.

9. Arming pilots and/or Flight attendants
10 The pilot does not need a weapon to crash the plane as it is. It might help them keep people out of the cockpit.

10. Keeping armed militia inside the airports roaming around in the dozens or hundreds

8 If they are trained. 1 if they have no idea what to do.

11. Initiating a "flight license" program where all passengers, present and future, above the age of 16 must pass a full disclosure FBI background investigation resulting in a "license to fly" being issued. Failure to pass will result in denial to travel on any commercial airliner. License must be "renewed" every two years. Persons not in posession of a valid license will be denied sale of a ticket and boarding. Any person that attempts to do so shall be subject to arrest.

1 Who is going to pay for this?

12. All passengers must submit retinal scans, voice recordings, fingerprinting, and DNA samples prior to being allowed to travel (sort of ties in with #11)

1 Again, a little to costly. Also, DNA samples will not help if this is the "first offense" for the terrorist.

13. Complete and total abolishion of all carry on items, regardless of size. This includes keys and wallets.

1 This would be a huge liability issue with baggage. There would be claims filed for lost wallets, jewelry bought on that Caribbean trip, anything else of value. It would be a nightmare.

14. Mandatory "Sky Marshalls" on all flights. Minimum of 1 Marshall for every 20 passengers. Commuter aircraft seating less than 40 pax will have 2 Marshalls.

8 This has some merit. I am not sure what the proportion to passengers should be, though.

15. Along with item #5, all persons shall be blindfolded for the duration of their time on an airliner. Persons will be escorted onto the aircaft in groups of 5.

1 Nuff said.




User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 872 times:

I'm getting ready to leave for the afternoon. I'll be back on at 5AM PST tomorrow morning.

I'm curious to see where this will go.

By the way, I imagine a number of scenarios ranging from possibly practical to downright ludicrous.

I already KNOW that. So please spare me those comments.


And one other question I'd like to see get tossed around:



What constitutes CAUTION

and what constitutes PARANOIA


...and where you draw the line and make the distinction.


User currently offlineNonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 848 times:

Well, I see my prior response was deleted. Therefore, I will quote again and ask a simple question.

You said:

By the way, I imagine a number of scenarios ranging from possibly practical to downright ludicrous.

I already KNOW that. So please spare me those comments


My question: If you do not want our opinions, then why did you ask for them?

Hopefully, no one is too thinned skinned to see my point this time.


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