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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1044 posts, RR: 32
Posted (16 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

I went to a conference today at our headquarters in CDG. The theme was AF and the alliances.
The lecturer was the director of Alliances for Air France and it was very interesting.
The most important thing was the launch of AFDL's global alliance. The date is set for March 2000 and the place is New-York. The first members of the alliance are the ones you all know about AF-DL-AM and KE !
OK, I can hear you guys screeming at Korean Air but we also did during the conference and the lecturer told us why KE is integrated. Korean Air's new chairman is creating huge waves at KE and has appointed DL and Boeing to retrain the pilots. KE will interview all its pilots and some of them will have to leave the airline apparently. Korean has a good product and the futur hub of Inchon Airport in Seoul will be one of the greatest in Northern Asia. DL and AF decided to "board" KE to avoid the lost of the asian carrier. They don't want to frustrate them and see them running to Star or Oneworld when they will feel better.
Also, there are lots of questions about AF doing the same businessElite on its aircraft. It is now official from Air France it is NO ! They are not prepared, and by they I am talking about all 4 airlines, to lose their products. even if DL's Elite seat is better than the 127 at AF, you won't see it on the AF planes. Our customers want to keep specific products for each airline and do not want a melt-down of all different service.
All 4 carriers have proposed different names and logos and ad campaign agencies. Air France's choice of name, logo and publicity agency for the launch of the alliance was chosen by all other members. Yet the lecturer kept it as a secret for the launch in March. He is very pleased with the Ad and said that it was the kind of Oneworld where the customer is the prime worry of the alliance unlike Star's ads which are centered around the different carrier, nothing warm, personal. Just a very long plane !
We were told that if Swissair left Delta it was over the frustration of the CEO. He was very upset to see DL go with AF. We were also told that when DL changed its management team and welcomed Leo Mullin, DL speech to AF was that if AF chooses DL over CO, DL was ready to dump SR if AF desired so, but they would really like to keep them. AF was happy with SR but not SR, they were upset and frustrated.
Why did we lose Austrian to Lufthansa ? Well LH told OS that should they choose someone else than themselves they would start a price war with OS and kill them ! OS went to Star ! British Midland to Star was evident. Our lecturer told us that Lufthansa is in a crusade to undermine the AF-DL alliance by going to all potential partners for AF-DL.
Oh by the way, you people at Continental, is it true that CO is looking to buy its shares back from Northwest ?
The AF-DL alliance is now focusing on enrolling carriers from Asia and South America. The brazilian partners are looked upon and a choice will be made later, The chinese partners also.
There, I hope I didn't forget a thing,
Now its time for your comments.

Ia Maitai to tatou tere !
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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 9027 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (16 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

I am pretty sure TransBrasil will join DL-AF-etc. If Thai leaves Star (which they might), look for them to join DL-AF. And what happened to Virgin Atlantic? I heard they were interested.


User currently offlineDeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (16 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Anymore news on TAP and Thai? I heard some things from some pilots at Delta that they were going to assist Koren Air with there problems by making them an all Boeing fleet?

User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (16 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2048 times:


TAP Air Portugal would be close to quite Swissair. I'm sure Air France would take a stake in it (and maybe DL either).
TAP and AF already cooperate in maintenance : AF takes the A340 of TAP, and TAP takes a part of the A320.

Air France and Delta Air Lines are keen on taking a stake in Thai as well. I don't know when the government of Thailand will announce the "winner".

User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1044 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (16 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

OK, I did forgot to mention something.
AF is unlikely to take any participation into TAP Air Portugal. AF was interested but got cold when the portuguese government asked AF to pay more than what Swissair was offering. Air France is willing to pay what a carrier is worth, not a cent more. The purchase of UTA 3 times its value nearly brought AF to bankruptcy and they are not willing to do the same mistake. Also the lecturer denied any talks with Meridiana and accused the medias to use AF's name to allow the price tag of the italian airline to go up to the benefit of the Aga Khan.
Also AF is very happy that the didn't buy into Virgin for the same reason, SQ bought VS for more than it is worth.
Also there are now tensions between Star Alliance carriers. Virgin invited SQ to join in the capital of Virgin Australia much to the frustration of Ansett and ANZ. Airline Business warns that the Virgin Australia story may delay the entry of SQ in Star !
AF is willing to buy into Thai Airways indeed but as I said it earlier, AF will back down if the price tag goes further than what the carrier is worth.

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew

Ia Maitai to tatou tere !
User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (16 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2041 times:


Rumors reported that SIA was still studying to enter the AF-DL alliance.
Any thought about that ?

About Thai : what would AF and DL do if they don't have a partner in SE Asia ?
That would be a major drawback.

Best regards,
Alain Mengus

User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (16 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

AF Cabin Crew:

Interesting tidbits of information you've provided. Good to see you back on the board again. Still trying to get to Tahiti here, though. ;-) Any chance of AF extending any of their CDG-SFO flights to PPT like at LAX? Especially when the new Int'l Terminal at SFO is opened on Sept. 26?

User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1044 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (16 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Hi Johnboy,

Thanks for the thought, it is nice being back after some long holidays jetting around the world and a little bit of work.

I don't think AF is planning to extend the SFO service to PPT, yet during the conference he said that AF's goal was to achieve a twice daily flight to all its US destination round year before April 2003, day of the open skies between France and the USA.

Hope to hear from you and good luck going to Tahiti.
Did you know Air Tahiti Nui was doing a special for $999 for a week in Tahiti including air fares and hotels.

Ia Maitai to tatou tere !
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