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User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

Hey all,

I was looking at the picture below and was wondering about the Kruger flap configuration set for landing.
This KLM 744 has landed with only the outboard Kruger slats deployed. Why would'nt the mid and in-board sections be deployed?
Obviously the a/c is still travelling fairly fast as shown by the spray, and too early to retract the flaps.
What kind of performance would the 744 have in this configuration? Is this a normal practice for KLM or any airlines? I ask because I have never seen a plane land or takeoff with only a partial flap/slat setting.
Thanks.

AC_B777


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User currently offlineHkniceguy From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2001, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1075 times:

On 747-400, inboard Kruger slats will retract when applying reverse during landing, to avoid the structure damage to the slats. This information is from a book about 747-400.

User currently offlineHkniceguy From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2001, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1066 times:


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User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6597 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1068 times:

That is correct, this can be seen inside the cockpit as an indication. Normally the little flap indicator sign is marked 25 or 30 (As appropriate) and is in green, indicating the flaps are in position. Select reverse on the ground and the indication will turn magenta coloured, indicated not all flap groups are in the right position they should be. When reverse is deselected, the indication turns green again, as the leading edge extends again (Only for you to put them back in again!).

User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1056 times:

Huh, I never noticed that before.
Thanks for the info guys.

AC_B777



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User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1011 times:

Cxflyboy:

Sorry I didn't really get you there. You mean it's normal for the middle slats and inboard slats not to extend and only to extend after retracting reverse thrust on the ground? (Flaps 25/30 both have slats extended?) Wonder why the slats don't extend? Thanks a lot for the further explanation.



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User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2389 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 989 times:

The aircraft has Flap 25 or 30 set for landing, including all leading edge flaps extended. The flight deck indication is a green line at 25 or 30. When the reverse thrust levers are raised to the interlock the inboard and midspan leading edge flaps retract whilst the engine reverser system is activated, giving a magenta line on the flap indicator (Boeing code for commanded but not yet reached). After the reversers are stowed the leading edge flaps redeploy giving a green indication.

User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 964 times:

Thanks AJ... but any explanation to why the inboard and middle slats retract when the reverse is activated?

Cheers



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User currently offlineHkniceguy From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2001, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 954 times:

Mr.BA: Is to avoid the structure damage to the slats when applying reverse. Becoz the oppsite thrust effect on the slats area very strong, the slats will damage if it's not retract

User currently offlineAerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 947 times:

I have flown on a Boeing 744 of LH (FRA-HKG); during approach the middle slats were retracted. No Idea why this was, never seen that before.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9780 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 942 times:

I didn't even notice this, nice to know and thanks  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 928 times:

Hey guys,

Thanks for the info, but I was wondering is this feature only found on the 744 or is it on all series of the 747?
If it is only on the 744, then what would the difference be from all other series? Does the 744 engines have different characteristics than the 741, 742 and 743 when it comes to reverse thrust?
Here is a picture of a Orient Thai 742 in reverse and the Kruger flaps are still deployed.

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I'm scratching my head on this one.

AC_B777



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User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 896 times:

Was at the airport yesterday. Noticed this no all the landing B744s except the classics. Would be interested to know why too! Thanks!




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User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 894 times:

Sorry I meant on not no.


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