Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5246 times:
Sorry, you're right more explanation is called for... its' just that I got very suspicious when I read this:
"The aircraft would be leased in conjunction with USAF's Civil Reserve Air Fleet program. "
I'm a taxpayer watching several years of what passed for budgetary responsibilty get thrown to the dogshttp://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/05/10/house.defense/index.html ...and from this info I just sniffed the idea that now my tax dollars are going towards leasing Fed Ex some airplanes, that's all. I find it hard to believe, especially in the present climate when corporations are proving they can run roughshod over Washington, that the Air Force isn't forking over some coin to Fed Ex in some way shape or form. If solid proof exists to the contrary I'll modify my position.
The 'lease' reference was to the bend-over-with-no-grease deal we got from Boeing on the 767 tanker situation....the one where the lease plan cost many times more than outright purchase. The golden checkbook that was handed to Boeing because they lost the JSF competition.
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4645 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5196 times:
Jim: you need to make it out to Southwest Oklahoma some day around Altus AFB. Driving through there a couple years ago storm chasing, I got to see 4 of them flying in formation. A very interesting site to say the least.
Cainanuk From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5152 times:
I used to be stationed at Altus. You should see them when they are doing combat approaches. AAFB has a 2500 ft "assault strip" between the 2 main runways. The damned things come in high and hot and drop like a rock. A true vomit comet I'll bet!!
JonPaulGeoRngo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4973 times:
Maybe Fed Ex has researched the oversized and bulk cargo mkt and discovered that the private businesses dedicated to hiring large An-124s might be able to use (or might only need the capabilities of) a smaller, and perhaps more efficient C-17s.
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4916 times:
Theres something I've thought of that might or might not become a factor. If they were to have the -17s, they have two choices for flying in that amount of cargo with that range, the -17 or the DC/MD-10. With the BC-17 they could bypass the expensive, busy, and congested major airports with the long runways (which the DC-10 currently needs) and go to closer in, cheaper, and less busy airports with smaller, yet suitable runways for the BC-17. I'm not talking about flying it into the small GA fields, but moreso the reliver airports with runways in the 7-9000ft range and the capabilities for handling an aircraft of this size.
Godbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4802 times:
All I know is that they will leave FRA by 2005 but I guess they will keep an option to use FRA for fuel supply in a crisis since FRA has, if I'm informed correctly, the largest NATO-fuel-reserve. And I havn't heard anything about that moving to Ramstein AFB.
Where they have their base in FRA FRAport wants to build Terminal 3.
Btw: I really love those birds. Every time I see a C-17 land in FRA I am amazed about how much I like that A/C. It's true... the USAF pilots seem to have their own rules on how to fly... They fly those big birds as if they were fighter jets. But I think that's cool
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4772 times:
This makes sense...FedEx is part of the Civil Air Reserve Fleet which means in times of war most cargo aircraft, especially large/widebodies (of which the C-17 definitely falls under) are taken in by the USAF for delivering supplies to the war zone if needed...the USAF will still have them if they need em that way...
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