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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

As a check-in agent for OA, I sometimes wonder about the strange time of the day (or better: night) when some of the connecting flights leave ATH. Today I asked the station manager for a worldwide OA timetable, and here are some examples of flights leaving ATH at night, all of the destinations mentioned below are *only* served at night:


VIE: OA157 23:10 00:30 back OA158 01:15 04:25 (B737-400)
MAN: OA278 19:30 21:30 back OA279 22:20 04:15 (B737-400)
TLV: OA301 02:20 04:15 back OA302 07:00 09:05 (B737-400)
BEY: OA313 00:50 02:40 back OA314 05:00 07:00 (B737-300)
CAI: OA325 00:50 02:45 back OA326 03:45 05:45 (B737-400)
ALY: OA327 00:50 02:35 back OA328 04:00 05:50 (B737-300)
JED: OA341 22:00 01:25 back OA342 02:15 05:50 (B737-400)
DXB: OA343 21:30 03:05 back OA344 03:55 07:55 (B737-400)


There are more examples. I know, some of the destinations are typical "over-night" flights for middle-european airlines. But for OA, those are short-haul flights served by a B737. What do you think is the reason for OA night-flights? Do the Greek simply have another kind of attitude towards time? I'm sure there are not many Austrian people on the flight leaving VIE at 01:15am...


Reading the OA timetable, there are some additional questions I have:
- There are still 732s in OA's summer timetable. I thought those were banned by EU law? Or did OA equip some of their 732s with hush-kits?
- There are quite a lot of flights operated by 733. I thought they have only one 733? Did they get additional 733s?


Thanks in advance for your opinions and answers.

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User currently offline0A340 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1156 times:

Regarding flights to Middle East (ME) , the majority, if not all of these flights leave late in the evening from ATH, and back before dawn or very early in the morning. There is some logic into this.

1) Connecting passengers arriving from Europe with the evening bank have the opportunity to fly to ME, and similarly arriving early in the morning from ME have the opportunity to connect to west-bound flights, most of which leave early morning to most European major destinations. Mind you that the new ATH airport is really a pleasure to transfer and has received many awards and distinctions during it's first year of operations.

2) Considering the extreme heat during most of the time in ME, arriving in night gives a traffic-free and cool temperature time to move. Think of it as an alternative to arrive in the middle of a very hot day!

3) Better fleet utilization!!! Why not use the plane while it's sittin'?


The few 'night' European flights you mentioned, like VIE and MAN, these are not the main flights, rather additional ones and are scheduled with plane availability in mind.

The 732's these are limited to some domestic and/or non-EU destinations. I don't know if additional 733s are to be expected, it makes sense but requires EEEE

My 0.02 E.

George



User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Also Alitalia has night flights to Middle East with A320/321. The plane leave MXP at about 21:00 and back at 07:00 in the morning. I think the main reason is for better connections time.

User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1131 times:

@OA340: So the 732 is not banned from Greek airports as well? I always thought it was EU law, for *all* EU membership countries?

User currently offlineJU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1106 times:

I think Greece made an exception to the EU bann, just because Olympic Airways still hasnt replaced its older aircraft. In any case I am very pleased to see such good planning with OA. I am not sure if ATH is open 24 hours, but if it was it would be to the advantage of OA, since they can use their existing fleet more efficiently.

I cant wait to see what ATH will look like during the 2004 Olympics! Has there been any special modifications at SKG to deal with the anticipated surge in demand to travel to Greece for the 2004 Olympics?

I have been informed that several Greek delegations have also recently visited Serbia and Montenegro to deal with transportation issues. Currently the prime minister is in BEG.


User currently offline0A340 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1062 times:

Ndebele:
You're right, absolutely. Rules are rules and no excuse should be used to ignore them.
However, today's news report that they are using only three (3) of them, although only two of the 11 are parked, and they "promised" to withdraw them entirely by the end of this summer season - October.

Pls don't ask me how does this comply with the rules, I guess someone high up in the E. Commission can explain.

My 0.02 E

George


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1041 times:

Thanks for that info, OA340! Yes, three B737-200s in use seems to match the information of the timetable, the only destinations still served with B737-200 are Belgrad (3 times a week), Bucharest (5 times a week), Larnaca (daily), Sofia (3 times a week) and Tirana (4 times a week). I'm going to check if all of those flights are still 732 next time I'm at work. But I'm sure they didn't change anything yet, at least I think they did not get any new aircraft during the past few months.

Checking the database, SX-BLA is probably still the only 733 in the Olympic fleet. There is a funny pic of a LOT/OA hybrid, but I'm sure this aircraft didn't stay very long with OA and has been returned already long time ago:

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Imho, three additional 717s would be the perfect replacement. They (Olympic Aviation) already operate the 717, passengers love them, they are efficient -although they could need some extra tons of mtow on their longer flights- and I'm sure it won't be too expensive to lease three of the parked ex-TWA 717s...

The 717 as the perfect aircraft - 717fan, do you agree?  Big grin


User currently offlineConair From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1035 times:

Ndebele,
Not sure but I think that EEC countries can still allow dispensation for B737-200 Operators, in the UK European Air Charter are still flying quite a few ex Sabena 200's, and yesterday I saw an Air Malta 200 in Man. I seem to remember reading something in one of the english newspapers recently that the matter was at the discretion of each individual EEC country

Regards
Conair


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

European Air Charter, Air Malta (and Ryanair, btw) have their 732s equipped with Stage III hushkits. Afaik, Olympic 732s don't have hushkits.

User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1017 times:

Ndebele;...yes sure....
Olympic will take some more 717's, if times are getting better....


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 983 times:

Today's 732-flights:

OA307/OA308 ATH-SOF-ATH SX-BCF
OA333/OA334 ATH-LCA-ATH SX-BCF
OA385/OA386 ATH-BEG-ATH SX-BCD

Yesterday, SX-BCB was operating OA307/OA308. So SX-BCB, SX-BCD and SX-BCF seem to be the last three flying 732s.


User currently offlineAlitis From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 952 times:

Will sure miss those 732's. I've been on every one at OA. I remember some of them having an antenna wire strung from the front of the fuselage to the rudder. Are these still needed on these birds for communications in this day and age?

-alitis


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 956 times:

Has OA B733's???

I will really miss their B732's  Crying

Regards, and stay fighting for your company guys!!,
Frederic


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