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User currently offlineAeromexico757 From Mexico, joined Aug 2000, 292 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

Does anyone in this forum knows what happened to the Il-96M/T, I know that the first flight was in 1993 and I haven´t heard anything about this aircraft since then.
When do the first aircraft will be delivered.
Thanks


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User currently offlineIlyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

The Pratt & Whitney-powered, Rockwell/Collins avionics-equipped version of the Ilyushin IL-96M airliner and the all-cargo Ilyushin IL-96T will not be produced. The US government withdrew its support from the joint venture to produce the aircraft, and the engines and avionics were recovered from the only prototype IL-96T. This happened last year, I think.

In the meantime, Ilyushin is going ahead with the longer, extended range IL-96-400 series. Essentially the same airframe as the IL-96T, the aircraft will be powered by uprated and improved Aviadvigatel' PS90A turbofans and equipped with Russian avionics. I am unaware as to whether an airliner version of this aircraft is planned or will be produced.


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User currently offlineJU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

Why did the US government withdraw? Government pressure from Boeing with regards to more future competitors from abroad???

The IL-96 is a very nice plane.


User currently offlineIlyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

Well, to hear it told, talks were in progress to provide the engines and avionics. However, Boeing didn't like the idea of a product that would be so competitive, so they were lobbying the US government to withdraw its support.

Ex-VP Gore had made a trip to Russia in the fall of 2000 to discuss US-Russian joint ventures, and the IL-96M/T project was one of the things discussed. However, the project was one of the first casualties of the Bush administration.

I don't see why Ilyushin doesn't go to a European consortium for its engines and avionics; Tupolev did with the TU-204-120 series, which is powered by Rolls-Royce RB211-535 engines.


User currently offlineJU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

That answer really comes to no surprise. Its clear that the US government is very protective of their own industries, however they of course do not have the same regard for foreign markets. Its all about who gets the money by the end of the day.

I would definately like to see Ilyushin and Tupolev link up with some firms in the EU. Nevertheless, EU is certain to be protective of the Airbus company, so the Russian and Ukranian industry will have a hard time.

IL96, TU204, and TU214 all seem to be marketable aircraft, provided that they have western avionics. The short-haul Tupolev TU334 is also another aircraft with some potential. Aeroflot is bound to make large purchases of mid-to-short range aicraft, to replace its old TU134s.


User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Hi,

I do still believe that the IL-96 (either 300 or 400) have some future, but their main problem is the PS-90A powerplants.

So that's why I think IL needs 2 main things:

1) A better powerplant (the PS-90A2 will soon come)

2) A good and efficient management and support services for their aircrafts.
For instance: IL doesn't have a good website presenting the IL-96 and their performances.

In not a long time, I'm sure that some little upgraded/ westernised (avionics, interiors, and engines) IL-96's could easily find their way with some European, Asian, and Russian airlines (for American airlines, I seriously doubt... the russian doesn't fit well in some american's mind- this is NOT a critic only my point of view!!!)

Regards,

Benjamin


User currently offlineMaugie From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1326 times:

Sterne82,

Ilyushin has 2 sites wich present their performances, wich high quality pics of cockpit, wings, engines, cabinpics...and movies of all their planes in production, Il114, 96M, 96-300, Il76 and il103......better search  Smile


User currently offlineMaugie From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

Strange, my post is deleted....

Sterne82,

Ilyushin has 2 very good sites showing high quality picsand movies of the planes they are in production, Il 76, 96-300, 96M, 103 and 114, like wings, engines, cockpits, interior, winglets etc.

 Smile

maurits


User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Excuse me I didn't find them...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Sorry, so I must correct what I've said...

"...IL need ONE thing..."

Could you give me the links?

Thanks,

Regards,

Benjamin


User currently offlineJU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

I would also like to see this site. Out of all aircraft produced by the Russian-Ukrainian aviation industry, the IL-96 and TU-214 look particularly impressive at first glance.

User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

The huge winglets give them a "killer" look...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



User currently offlineGeotrash From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1227 times:

Just a comment about acceptance of Russian aircraft into American markets. I agree that the mindset is one of caution, until an aircraft can prove itself over time. At the moment, proven aircraft exist to fill the needs of American carriers from Airbus and Boeing.

Were the Russians to prove the reliability, comfort and cost-effectiveness of the IL-96 in day to day operations, they may well find a market for such an aircraft, if the airlines can get it for significantly less than comparable aircraft from A or B.

Public acceptance is a significant obstacle, but I would say that most Americans are well aware that Russia is capable of building exceptional equipment, be it aircraft, rockets, or software. If United settled on the IL-96 tomorrow, and it promised greater comfort, a level of safety comparable to the newest from A & B, while at the same time allowing for cheaper airfares and greater airline profitability, most folks could care less where it was made. Not to mention the fact that every airplane enthusiast in the country would beat a path to their door for a ride on the inaugural flight. =)

It would be great to see the Russian aviation industry grow to be a significant force in western aviation. Their planes are just too interesting to be limited to Russian and eastern european carriers. Go Ilyushin!


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