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User currently offlineDC10-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (16 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 583 times:

Could you tell me how Boieng manage to fly (for example) a B737 to his european customer? A B737 can't fly over the atlantic, can't it (no ETOPS certification for some model)?
(The same problem for Airbus and its american customers)

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User currently offlineMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (16 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 583 times:

When a 737 or A320 or MD-80 isn't carrying any passengers or cargo, and has tanks full of fuel, it's range is about three times as much as what it would be in normal operation. Also I think additional fuel tanks may sometimes be added to these planes for the long delivery flights. And I don't believe there is an ETOPS required for delivery flights across the atlantic. So these facts considered, it isn't really any problem. Some NG737s and MD-90s have been flown non-stop from their factories to Europe.

User currently offlineMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (16 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 584 times:

I have heard of charters where NG737s or A320s have been flown across the altantic from Europe, to Florida etc. They have probably made a stop in Keflavik for fuel. I think there is an airway system going across the north atlantic that is for those planes which don't have ETOPS or the nav equipment that would be required for the typical atlantic crossing in the north atlantic track system.

User currently offlineV jet From Australia, joined May 1999, 719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (16 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 583 times:

Think back to the 1960's when Trans Australia Airlines (TAA) and Ansett were receiving DC-9 30's. They came all the way across the Pacific with a few stops but with cabins full of extra fuel tanks!!

User currently offlineaviator_ua From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (16 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 583 times:

Most times they will start in Northern Canada
(Gander) and if fuel is needed enroute, they usually fuel in Iceland.

User currently offlinejz From United States of America, joined May 1999, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (16 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 583 times:

First, an empty plane with full fuel tanks can go further. Second, they make fuel stops along the way. Thirdly, sometimes the plane is broken into pieces and transported via ship; and re-assembled at the destination. It all depends on customer demand, aircraft capability, weather and other factors.
I read an article on ferrying ATR-42 from France to the US. The trip took 2 days and made fuel stops in Ireland, Iceland, Canada and the US. It's not a pleasent experience even for the pilots. They have to deal with storms over the Atlantic and long overwater navigation. But this is not the worst. Imagine making a delivery trip of a Shorts-360 to a customer in Asia.

User currently offlineStas From Poland, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (16 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 584 times:

Florida- DC, Gander, Greenland, Keflavik, Shannon- and then wherever you want to.....

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29885 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (16 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 584 times:

We had a couple of Aussie built Nomads that where being ferried from Japan to the states stop throught we I used to work. They had stopped for fuel in Petroplavask(spelling???) Russia and the flew to Cold Bay, Alaska where I saw them. They had the seats taken out of them had about a dozen fifty-five gallon drums stacked inside for more fuel. They where gavity feeding into another tank and then pumped into the aircrafts main tanks. If I remember the setup right, This was three years ago. Don't know where the went after that. I think they went to either Sitka or Ketchikan Alaska on the other side of the gulf.

For those of you not familar with the Nomad. It was an Aussie built aircraft about the size of a Twin Otter with two Allison 250 engines. It was built to operate about the same type of flights as the Trotter.

User currently offlineNoel Benford From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (16 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 583 times:

You can fly Cessnas or most any small plane over the Atlantic, but you have to make quite a few stops. You can read December's Pilot magazine to read about a man who took his Baron (?) single-engined plane from the UK to the US and back.

Noel Benford

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