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VG Finaly Ready For Take Off  
User currently offlineKriske From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 40 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5737 times:

On VG website they have the official flight schedule of their New York flight.

Flight IV001

Brussels(Bru)-New York(JFK)

departure 11.30
arrival 14.15

Flight IV002

New York(JFK)-Brussels(BRU)

departure 18.30
arrival 8.30(next day)

Nice to see another Belgian airline takes the sky.
And wish VG and their staff all the best

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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5318 times:

Hello Kriske,

Finally, after long waiting and speculating, they are ready for take off  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

But I am a bit worried about the planned expansion. 3 new aircrafts. And with the financial structure they have...

Good luck VG Airlines!!!


User currently offlineCo 757-300 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5294 times:

when does the service actually start?

User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5297 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

first flight to JFK is scheduled for May 23rd.

User currently offlineKriske From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

sabena 690
It worries me to , i can't imangine that they find enough destinations and peolple to make a profit.
I think they can make a profit with New York and Boston.
But i doubt they can make a profit on Los Angeles without the deal with Armenia. Maybe Montreal or Miami could be good destinations. I think they better wait with their expansion. First make the New York and Boston flights profitable. And then take the next step.
Does someone now when their 3 th plane will arrive?

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5257 times:

About New York

This destination is served two-three times a day from Brussels:

1) CO to EWR
2) DL to JFK
3) about two-three times a week: BG

You can say: Sabena had two additional flights. Yes, but Sabena had a feeder market. Pax came from destinations like Finnland, Poland, ... to fly to NY via Brussels.

VG Airlines has no feeder market. Rumours say that they are in talks with VEX, but nothing is confirmed about that. VEX itself is also in talks with Easyjet. Maybe they can feed their NY flight with pax coming from Kopenhagen, ...

Than, the Boston flight. Boston was a destination with a low yield for Sabena. SN needed transit passengers to fill their aircrafts on this destination. Were is VG going to find pax for their Boston flight? You cannot fill a plane in Belgium just with Belgian pax. You need a big feeder market. VG has no big feeder market.

Than: LA. Forget it without Armenian Airlines.

The other 3 destinations: Miami will probably be a new destination. Miami is very profitable for Swiss in economy, but again, Swiss has a feeder market. Were is Freddy, or better said Tony, going to get his pax??

I highly doubt the rendability of the whole project.

But I hope the best for them.


User currently offlineAirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

Citybird had the same business plan, they flew to LAX, OAK, MIA, JFK and even LAS for a while.

But it didn't last, their fares where extremely cheap and they even offered connecting flights in BRU via SN for their American PAX.

I still hope they will fly to LAX, the Belgian community in LA is looking forward to this flight but 4 times a week might be too much; once or twice a week could work. The US westcoast-BRU routes have always be neglected by the major carriers. Connecting via the US east coast add 50 % to the travel time.
If DUS can support a weekly charter like direct flight to LAX, BRU could too !! KLM just added a 2nd daily flight to LAX and AF has now 3 daily flight to LA.


User currently offlineKriske From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

well you are right about thinking that the whole vg project is not going to be easy.
But you can't really compare vg with sn.
Wages and lease cost are a lot lower at vg , so a flight that would be losmaking for sn could be profitable for vg.
Don't forget that New York made money for sn untill they put a third flight to New York ,the one to EWR.
And i don't think that there where a lot of transit passengers on the New York flights.
You're probably right about Boston , i flew sn last september to boston and the flight was full with Germans.
I think they can get a lot of passengers if they work with the travel industrie. I know all those tourist are low yield , but because their cost are lower they can make a profit on them.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8657 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (14 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5217 times:

The Armenia thing is bullshit. Yes there is a big Armenian population on the west coast but these are not people born in Yerevan, for the most part they have never been to Armenia and have no real contact with the old country. I can't believe there would be more than a couple of LA-Yerevan passengers a week.

fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineKriske From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5206 times:

Well the idea about the whole deal is that armenian airlines would buy 70 % of the seats .
But i think the whole deal is very strange.
I think if the whole deal falls through.
They better wait with the flights to La and use the plane for flights to Tel Aviv.
Tel Aviv would be a good decision because of the trade relations between Israel and Belgium and the large jewish population in Belgium.

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5183 times:


Can you fill an A332 to Tel Aviv?

Ok, a plane doesn't have to be sold out to be profitable, but were are you going to get 240 pax for that flight.

If you want to be profitable to Tel Aviv, you have to code share with LY.
Even LY has lot's of difficulties to fill their planes on the BRU-TLV route now, since they lost the code share with Sabena.
I think that in the future, there will be a code share between SNBA and LY. A code share between LY and VG would be totally uninteresting for LY, also because they have their own strong network. They don't need VG.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (14 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

Ofcourse you can fill an A330-200 between Tel Aviv and Brussels. Moreover passengers from Tel Aviv will fill up the planes to Boston and Miami aswell. Tel Aviv is the ideal place to get your passengers from for connecting flights to the US.

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

Hey Manni,

And LY than? Do you think that LY will let this all happen?

1) LY has also a strong network

2) Because TLV is so far away, and because you must have a lower price to compete with LY, this will result in an incredible low yield.
Is it that what VG needs?

They need very profitable flights to survive now.
Within some years they can maybe open a TLV-BRU route, but I think that SNBA and LY will already code share than. And SNBA will have an American partner at that time. So...


User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

> use the plane for flights to Tel Aviv.

Despite the collapse of Sabena, I doesn't seem that LY has stronly increased their capacity to BRU. Occassionally I see LY at BRU with 767/757/737.

Wouldn't it be a challenge to (optimally) schedule the A332 for a few medium haul flights (TLV) in between long haul flights (USA)?

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (14 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5145 times:

I agree with the comments concerning TLV, VG would have a better chance with service to TLV and it could also offer connections from the US gateways via BRU to TLV. Sabena had a good niche in the US-Israel market and the Belgium-Israel market is a strong one that is currently underserved. Even with all of the trouble in the middle east, traffic to Israel seems to be holding up.
Remember, SN flew the Sobelair 763 on the BRU-TLV route with about 250 seats which were generally occupied.

I think the VG flight to JFK will work - the CO and DL flights are running pretty full, the yields are quite good, and on CO, the number of disount tickets is very limited and BusinessFirst is usually quite full. The NYC-BRU market is a bit underserved since SN pulled out (as did AA and TW before it) and also remember US terminated its flights to PHL.

The flights to Boston may or may not work, SN served BOS for years so I guess that there is a market; of course, as stated, without connections at either end it may be difficult.

Citybird had no real success with its BRU to West Coast services, and the Florida flights were quite busy but with very low fare customers. I am not sure how VG plans to pull this off........why would the flights now be successful in these more difficult times? I am surprised that Montreal was not considered as an initial destination as it has been said that Montreal was a success for Sabena.

Six planes......seems optimistic to me, lets see the first flights take off first.

Concerning BRU, anything new on the SBNA/CO or SBNA/AA code-share deals that were hot topics a couple of weeks ago?

User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4809 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

Anyway, one VG A330 is already generating cash as an adhoc sublease for HLN and if all doesn't turn out as planned they can always sub lease one of their aircraft to another carrier.

BTW isn't SN Brussels interested in a deal with VG?


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5093 times:

Hello Laurens,

No, I don't think so.
VG Airlines is interested in Virgin Express.

By the way, I remember me something that Pressclub said here a week ago:

If he asked to Rob Kuypers if he was interested in a deal with Freddy Van Gaever, Rob Kuypers said: "Van Gaever? Who is Freddy Van Gaever"?

This says enough...


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5087 times:


LY is genneraly more expensive than other carriers, due to high security costs. Sabena operated, like mentioned before, Sobelairs 767-300 aircraft on the BRU-TLV route aswell as the A320/321. When Sabena was still around they had many passengers coming from Israel connecting to the US. In fact their evening flight to JFK was on some days filled up with jewish passengers, either local or from Israel. Today we still see many passengers coming from Israel connecting in BRU on DL or CO to the US. There are only 2 airlines at the moment flying direct between Israel and the US (LY and CO) leaving plenty of passengers available. I believe that their is suffucient potential in Belgium and Idrael to support 4 or 5 flights a week to TLV, especially on fridays, saturdays and sundays.

PS, Anyone an idea if VG intends to fly to Asia, perhaps in the not so distant future? I would really like to see NRT being served again from BRU.

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Thanks for the info Manni  Smile

I think that Freddy ever said in an interview that it was stupid that Sabena had dropped the NRT flight.

If Freddy sees a market in LA, why shouldn't he see one in NRT, or even in Johannesburg!

Doesn't he need an A340 for Japan?


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 775 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5074 times:


There exist some nice graphics about the profitability of the former LH network of Sabena. (SN 690, you can find it in a recent publication  Smile)

x only BOS was profitable on the transatlantic

x Tokyo made a loss of about 500 mil belgian francs !!! due to the weak yen/dollar situation...

x I shall continue writing this: it's not only important to find pax, it's also important to find pax that pay money for the ticket and the break even loadfactor !!!!

User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 775 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

With a 330 you will have range problems when flying to Tokyo or heavy load restrictions.

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

SN 690, you can find it in a recent publication  Smile

Really Pressclub?? Big grin

x only BOS was profitable on the transatlantic

Aha, I thought that Boston was loss-making, and that JFK the only profitable transatlantic destination was.

Thanks and regards,

User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 775 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

SN 690,

How could JFK be profitable for Sabena??? : there was/is a lot of competition on this market (DL, Co, BG, ...) and don't forget the offers from AF / LH / BA.

Also Sabena attracted transfer pax and these transfer pax don't give you nice revenues. Pax you transfer you have to take away from the competition: this you can only do with the right schedule and with low rates.

I am affraid we will not find more than 500 people in Belgium on a DAILY BASE who want to travel to NY. Don't forget you have to make money not with the Y class but with the front of the aircraft.

Don't think i want to bash VG airlines. I am just realistic. I am really affraid that VG will not find these C class pax:

x they don't have an interesting loyalty program like STAR alliance for example has

x They don't offer the service Co offers: limousine drive to Brussels airport for free

x they don't have schedule choices

x they don't have connecting possibilities

x they don't have advertizing campaigns until now: how the US travellers will be aware of the existence of VG? Don't forget that the US market is for revenues more important than the Belgian or European (americans pay 20 to 30 pct more for the tickets than Europeans do)

x most of the multinationals make commercial agreements with airlines in the beginning of the year: so they will not switch to VG in the middle of the year

x VG Airlines is not yet an IATA recognized airline: especially American companies will have doubts with an airline that is not IATA

x Companies and multinationals prefer 'one stop shopping': this means that they only want to work together with one airline for their travel needs. As VG is not part of a global alliance i doubt that they have the answer for this trend. That's the reason why SN Brussels is looking for an alliance and for partners.

User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

Just one figure coming from an audit commisioned by Sabena last summer.

Sabena needed a loadfactor of 120% to break even on Tokyo an Jo'burg!!!

Even with the lower cost basis at SN or VG you can easily predict you still need a very high loadfactor (90 % at least) which is not realistic nowadays.
That's exactly why SN currently has no plans to include Jo'burg to their African destinations and I must say I do praise them for this sound decision.

Pressclub is right:
loadfactor is an indication of how attractive a route is to the passengers, but the yield is the indication of how attractive a route is for the airline.

User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 775 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5038 times:


I fully agree with you.

For a publication i did a lot of research during the last months on the route network of Sabena. Jobourg was so lossmaking due to the low yield but also due to the fact this route was operated by a very expensive MD 11 (you know, the City Bird drylease contract...)

25 Post contains images SAS23 : And Nationwide reckon they can make JNB-BRU pay?
26 Skippy777 : Good luck Vg Airlines, I will be flying with them most likely to LA for our survey. I hope that they can perform aswell as SN. I sure hope that the qu
27 Gaut : Pressclub "only BOS was profitable on the transatlantic" What about YUL. I 've been 3 times to YUL with SN (I love Quebec) and the flights were full.
28 Pressclub : The result of YUL was very seasonal and Sabena didn't find enough C class pax for this flight. Result: loss making
29 Slz396 : The last businessplan of Sabena -made by Ch. Müller in July/August last year- aimed at refocussing Sabena solely on its home market Europe and it's
30 Post contains images Pressclub : nice post, SLZ. I agree for 100 pct with your view (as always )
31 Kriske : Slz396 Do you have some inside information about the codeshare deal of snba with a us airline. I thought AA and Co where still both in the running
32 Slz396 : From my profile you can deduct that I am only indirectly involved with SN; however, from what I have heard from their top management, it is more then
33 Kriske : Thanks for the info Slz396 Do you now if they are still in talks with an asian partner?
34 Pressclub : I hear the same x CO is 'independent' (not really involved in an alliance) x CO was one of the first airlines that found SN BA for an interline agreem
35 Slz396 : Also check the routes Continental is offering on Africa via a codeshare on KLM and compare them to those SN can offer to Continental.... CO/KLM: Abidj
36 Kriske : The only thing what makes me think that co is a strange partner , is that they just started a codeshare agrement with klm , so what is the use for co
37 Kriske : Ooops you answerd my question already . So the code share is great for the african flights but what about the european flights klm and Sn Ba will offe
38 Slz396 : Yes, we'll have to see how they solve that, although there are many exemples of airlines offering flights to destinations via several code-share partn
39 Lj : Slz396 KLM also serves Abidjan. Moreover do you really think KLM will allow a codeshare on CO ex EWR? No way! Moreover why would CO allow SN to sell s
40 Slz396 : LJ, check again please; I have mentioned Abidjan as a flight of KLM, and not for SN, so the list I gave is correct (I just did a copy paste from their
41 Kriske : Yes it indeed doesn't look good for vg airlines if they have to compete with co and sn ba combined. About that klm has more to offer than sn Ba true f
42 Sterne82 : It does not seems to be rosy for VG, but... let's wait and see... don't you think? Lots of analysts are predicting lots of things... and finaly that's
43 Kriske : Benjamin You're right the future looks uncertain for vg. But let them try and see what happens it could be a succes because their costs are a lot lowe
44 Slz396 : With SN (through CO) as direct competitor, I hope VG airlines do not end in the same situation Hewa Bora finds itself on the Kinshasa route. Not to me
45 Lj : Sorry Slz396, I read the thread too fast. As for July 26th. This appears to be the end date of the KL/CO agreement allthough it has already been exten
46 Kriske : I had a look on the continental website and they are waiting aproval for a codeshare with emirates on londen gatwick dubai and New York and Houston. S
47 Lj : Well according to a friend of mine there were some passenger stairs located very close to the left wing of the A330 Thus maybe this has anything to do
48 Post contains images Sabena 690 : About what has been said here of the B777 of CO in Brussels. I talked with someone of CO, and the only intention they have at the moment is upgrade th
49 Pressclub : Recently (last month) i was in Newark for an interview with the COO of Continental. He said at that time he was very happy with KLM. Especially coz KL
50 Keesje : Also check the routes Continental is offering on Africa via a codeshare on KLM and compare them to those SN can offer to Continental.... CO/KLM: Abid
51 A330 : just a quick reaction to the allegations that SN flights to the States were not profitable. The main reason for hat was no a lack of market, but the c
52 Lx-maria : to PressCLub: Hello, So, as you quote numbers from unprofitable routes from SN; you do believe what the old management said about unprofitable routes
53 Kriske : Maria For the short time i've been here i vallued pressclubs posts. He is pretty good informed and always use facts not speculation. It's funny that y
54 Kriske : To Maria You first complain that journalist weren't critical against sr But you also complain that he is critical against Vg now. Maybe he learned som
55 Manni : "Let me fly for free and i will write any article.." Good point Lx-maria! I keep wondering why Continental gets so much praise. I guess, I've got the
56 Lx-maria : I do not complain about critical journalists. But he is only critical when convenient for himself. This answers also helps 'Manni'. Belgian Journalist
57 FLYYUL : That is a lie pressclub, Montreal-Brussels was a profitable flight, that actually had the best load factor in North America. Even if this gflight was
58 Post contains links and images A330DAT : FLYYUL - Pressclub : When Sabena started flying to Montreal in MD-11 (after a 6 year absence), the flights were losing money. Pressclub was right by s
59 Lx-maria : Thanks FLYYUL. I'm telling you guys; PressClub (Journalist?) is on the payroll of the old SN; now SN Brussels. Another proof of his subjectivity can b
60 Pressclub : hehe, am i so interesting? Thanks for all these allegations LX-Maria. I hope people who know me do know better than you do and that it says more about
61 Pressclub : Just a very last posting. x Thanks Kriske for your comments on my book. I couldn't write about it here on airliners.net earlier as i respect the rules
62 FLYYUL : Last year or two SN has been operating the route, SN has consistently pulled the best load factor at YUL besides AF. SN pulled out of IAD, ATL, CVG, E
63 A330DAT : That's right FLYYUL. Sabena had very good load factors on ATL and CVG as well, but that was because of the cooperation with Delta Airlines. When it en
64 Keesje : Most of the times I disagree with pressclub, we had some tough discussions but lets keep discussions factual not personal .... Who the f... is Lx-mari
65 Post contains images A320-Addict : Dear LX-Maria, As long as I have read the posts of pressclub on this forum I have found them very independent, and with a very critical approach, towa
66 TriStar500 : I agree, at least Pressclub is trying to be constructive.
67 Sabena 690 : If this is the way people attack me here and are allowed to attack me here, ... I stop sending postings. Sorry. This is just one bridge to far. Comme
68 Sabena 690 : A320-Addict and TriStar500, you are both right for the full 100%! Lx-Maria: I think that your point of view is more subjectif than that of Pressclub.
69 A320-Addict : LX-Maria, Some quote's of yours: "I do not complain about critical journalists. But he is only critical when convenient for himself. This answers also
70 Post contains images A320-Addict : Still upset and waiting for excuse from LX-Maria... Still in support of Pressclub
71 Lumumba : Relax pressclub we now your quality's and for me you are a main person on this forum. Regards Patrice
72 Manni : CO offers a limousine service to its C pax! Congratulations, you get a free ride when you spend 3000$ or something similar. Last month I went to Tokyo
73 Lx-maria : Hello, My last excuses were few years back when i had to dump a boyfriend. You want some real info. SN Brussels starts next year with 737-NG. The pilo
74 Post contains links Keesje : Yes, he even made a report on it : http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/808951/ What your point Maria ?? A little to impuls
75 Sab12 : Sorry Lx maria, pressclub info is a lot more worth to me then your stup attacks, please stay in lux!
76 Kriske : Real info Maria? The training of pilots will be done by sobelair intructures? Doubt it sobelair has nothing to do with sn ba anymore the change is eve
77 Spitfire : Sorry Lx-Maria, but I think with this kind of attitude you won't succeed through a "psycho interview" for any belgian airlines. It's sometime better t
78 Sabena 690 : Lx-Maria, What is your point? Why do you want to know if he was aboard the first Kinshasa flight or not??? If you don't want to tell it here, mail me
79 Post contains images A320-Addict : Dear LX-Maria, Marie-Thérèse, From such a professional (ex-captain long-haul Sabena), I would have expected something more appropriate, and not such
80 Post contains images A320-Addict : Maybe she is so grumpy lately because it is quite a distance LUX->Gent to see her boyfriend
81 Sabena 690 : A320-Addict, check your mailbox please. Rgds Frederic
82 Sabena 690 : Were are you Lx-Maria?? I still haven't got an answer, not on the forum and not in my mailbox. SN long haul Captain is a great function, I am still wo
83 Post contains images Established02 : > Still in support of Pressclub You can count me in for that as well. LX-Maria is of course entitled to her opinion, however I would hope that we can
84 Erasmus : Pressclub, Please come back. In my opinion you were the most reliable and accurate source of information on the whole a.net!!! You were (and still are
85 Sterne82 : Hi, SNBA will take some 737NG... hum... quite surprising, the CEO didn't know it yet, but you, my dear Maria, you already know it... were your mother
86 Post contains links Luchtzak : Hi everybody!! I'm in full support to 'Pressclub' !! I will show you a small topic that 'Lx-Marie' started in the aviation-photography forum :http://w
87 Post contains images A320-Addict : You score luchtzak!! Good point... Still hoping for Pressclub's next post!!
88 Airbuspilot : I am also in full support for pressclub! At least he gave us some unbiassed information and most of it was very reliable! Pressclub, I hope you do not
89 Post contains images SN-A330 : Dear Pressclub, You have my full support in this and I really hope you'll come back on a.net and will keep informing us like you did in the past. And
90 Post contains images EBOS : Wow, nice flaming tread... Anyway, anybody has more info about the press-flight BRU-OST on Friday may 17? What plane will be used : OO-SFQ or OO-SFR?
91 Post contains images A320-Addict : Mhhh, I wonder where LX-Maria is... He Sven, I hope you will provide us with some nice pictures when the press-flight lands at OST??!! AA
92 Post contains images EBOS : Hi A320-addict, I will try... i'm hoping for the Delsey logo-jet Sven
93 Lumumba : Excuse me but where is OST? Regards Patrice
94 Post contains images EBOS : Patrice : OST is the biggest town at the Belgian coast Sven
95 Lumumba : O.K thax Regards Patrice
96 Sabena 690 : Hello Pressclub, I shared some remarks from all your friends here on the forum. Who the f... is Lx-maria, he is very unfriendly & angry .. As long as
97 Lumumba : Hi SABENA690 don't forget me(lumumba). Regards Patrice
98 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Sorry Lumumba, I forgot to add you on the list. Again a fan more Pressclub!! Regards, Frederic
99 Kriske : Pressclub everyone likes you here except one person. I think all of us value your posts as very professional and neutral. So please Pressclub come bac
100 Groholsky : look at all this !!! Incredible !!! By the way, A320-Addict, maybe you have reliable infos about TC that could be deleted in the hour... Keep at least
101 Sabena 690 : Sorry Groholsky, but what happened here cannot be accepted. What is your problem with A320-Addict? Rgds Frederic
102 Groholsky : I have no problem with A320-Addict. I'm just wondering why his posting on TC with reliable infos was deleted 1 hour after he posted it ?
103 Sabena 690 : Aha, I know the reason, but I think that this is too A320-Addict to tell it, if he wants of course. It has nothing to do with wrong information,... Re
104 Post contains images A320-Addict : Nope nothing to do with unreliable information, just.... how should I describe this.... I realised in the morning that what I had posted before was a
105 Groholsky : Too sensitive ??? to whom ??? too confidential maybe !!! Shouldn't all that info about TC stay inside the company as per FOM ??? !!! anyway... Keep th
106 Luchtzak : Hello everybody!! update on LX-Marie : she hasn't replied to one of the messages since 1 day and 7 hours. Guess she can 't find any reasonable reason,
107 Post contains images A320-Addict : 'Shouldn't all that info about TC stay inside the company as per FOM'??? Mhhh... I don't think soo, and the management doesn't think so either. If you
108 A320-Addict : Anyway.... this is waaaayyy of topic.... Does anyone know already which plane will be used for the pressflight tomorrow friday? The logojet or the oth
109 Established02 : > more info about the press-flight BRU-OST on Friday may 17? Departure at BRU: 17/05 11:00 Ostend IV 503 The weather will be great. So those on board
110 Groholsky : that still doesn't explain why you took the decision to delete it...but anyway i'll ask the CEO. ''If you realy try to hide something from the press,
111 Luchtzak : I 've got a difficult question: Why is it interesting for the press putting in newspapers that their are a few minor problems on a aircraft? People wh
112 Post contains images A320-Addict : Groholsky, Isn't a person allowed to change his mind?? So that is what I did.... not more or less. No not hide.... I should have mentioned, some techn
113 Post contains images A320-Addict : He Established02, The approach itself to OST is itself already fantastic with good weather!! You get established almost abeam 'Knokke-Heist 't Zoute'.
114 Groholsky : What i love is the details given about the agenda of your CEO...you must be very close !!! Anyway i'm bored. i'm just looking for infos about the avia
115 Post contains images A320-Addict : Who says I am not enjoying aviation?? Doing so every day.... I still can not understand why you are blaming me for changing my post in the older TC-th
116 Groholsky : I'm not telling that you are not enjoying... And i think i told that we CAN'T blame you for that. So i can't be clearer. don't play such a game now. G
117 Post contains images EBOS : IV 503 OSTEND (OST) 11:00 OOS CHARTER FLT This is all i can find of the snba-website. So nobody has info about the reg for the BRU-OST flight? Anyway
118 EBOS : OK, i found it among the arrivals IV 504 OSTEND (OST) 15:15 SFR CHARTER FLT flight will be operated by the logojet OO-SFR Sven
119 ILS.25L : EBOS : you could be correct but I read that the flight would be with the "Delsey"-version so I think this is the OO-SFO. Returnflight is IV504 but the
120 Post contains images Md-11er : OO-SFO is a A333. all ex SN A333 are flying or will be flying for SNBA. VG took only ex SN A332 in his fleet. For the moment OO-SFR and OO-SFQ
121 Post contains images ILS.25L : I was out there at EBBR for a picture of the landing of the press-flight on runway 02 but unfortunately I only had a half an hour and headed back to w
122 Post contains images EBOS : The VG 'air-show' at OST was excellent, OO-SFR Delsey logojet made about 20 touch and go's ... an amazing piece of art ... pictures will follow soon S
123 Sabena 690 : Hey ILS.25L: This was not only a pressflight. Some weeks ago, there was a kind of game (I heard it yesterday). Everyone who wanted could participate,
124 Erasmus : Come on Pressclub, It must be obvious to you now that you are VERY much appreciated on this forum. I have never seen so much support for anybody else
125 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Great post Erasmus!! Yes, come on Pressclub!!!!! It only goes about one person, Lx-maria (which is on my non-respected users list now ). Lx-maria: the
126 Post contains images Apuneger : Hi everybody. Some of you probably have been waiting for a post of mine on this thread, but I didn't want to get too much involved in this (heavy) dis
127 Post contains images Established02 : > OO-SFR Delsey logojet made about 20 touch and go's Euh... this was with all these passengers inside??? I guess not. > ... pictures will follow soon
128 Post contains images A320-Addict : He Guys, I hope the winners were not on board of het A330 during the touch and go's... and I even think it is forbidden, touch and go's with pax is no
129 Gaut : Hello Guys, Some news from Freddy interviewed during the flight - Freddy don't believe in airlines alliances, he prefers codeshare agreements. - He is
130 Post contains images A320-Addict : "When will VG-airlines be profitable? : I don't know.." Whooooaaaaaa.... what a blast, , what a real visionair that Freddy is, really sounds to me as
131 Kriske : So what are the plans of tony Gram with sobelair. Is it to grow vg airlines faster or to keep the competition away. I read in the paper he is only int
132 Flying Belgian : Freedy doesn't believe in alliances because he himslef does not interest anyone on the market. The letter to Kujpers proves it... Buying Sobelair ???
133 Kriske : Well Tony Gram is one of the wealthiest people in Belgium. He knows something about business , but the question remains if he knows something about av
134 Luchtzak : Hi everybody! He is disappointed by the little of interest expressed at SN Brussels Airlines concerning his proposal for a collaboration. Kuijpers did
135 Post contains images Sabena 690 : This must be lovely to do 20 touch and go's from the cockpit Any more news when VG will get their ETOPS and their slots for Boston? I hope that you wi
136 Established02 : A330DAT asked previously: " Pressclub - Which book are you talking about? " You can find more info about this book on the front page of www.piloten.be
137 Post contains images Sabena 690 : VEX have their own catering facilities at BRU? Since when serves VEX more than a drink? 19/05 04:10 Gdansk VLM 828 Yes, it is a F50 flight of VLM. I s
138 Pressclub : Hi all, Thank you very much for your support. I am really surprised and it feels good. I 'll sleep another night and think about coming back or not. P
139 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Just great I 'll sleep another night and think about coming back or not. Do not think about it, just do it Best regards, Frederic
140 Post contains images Sabena 690 : By the way, were are you Lx-maria?? You don't dear to post here anymore? I think that somebody is still waiting for excuses here... I hope you give th
141 Post contains images Kriske : He is alive people Well sweet dreams Pressclub
142 EBOS : @established02 : VLM = VLM 3 letter code for the VG Airlines flight BRU-OST was FVG (=Freddy van Gaever) Sven
143 Post contains images A320-Addict : I am still wondering.... Can anyone confirm when the first 'regual' flight of VG-airlines will be performed... can't find any up to date info on their
144 Post contains links and images EBOS : Here are some links to pictures in the upload queue... http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/OOSFRA.jpg http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/
145 Post contains links Luchtzak : Hi everybody! and then Van Gaever airlines returned to Brussels to go back to his usual parkingposition at Hangar 40. Here you can see a picture from
146 ILS.25L : Established02 :Who will be their partner for handling (check-inn/catering/cargo... at BRU? => Sales agent for cargo = Air Logistics which is a divisio
147 Established02 : > VLM = VLM > 3 letter code for the VG Airlines flight BRU-OST was FVG So the question could be: Why does VLM fly to LCY as "VG" and to Gdansk as "VL
148 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Congratulations Sven Great pics!! Rgds Frederic
149 Post contains images EBOS : Thanks Frederic !!! Sven
150 Post contains images A330DAT : To answer your question Established02. Since there are more and more airlines around (overall last decade) it had been decided to move over to using a
151 Post contains images A320-Addict : He A330DAT, What about Thomas Cook then, we use FQ, also a 2 letter code, and we operate charter (holiday ) flights... ?? AA
152 Apuneger : EBOS: Nice pictures indeed. I love to see the tilted bogies just before the wheels touch the ground. If you already mentioned it, I forgot it, but any
153 Lj : Does anyone know what's going on at VG these days (or better are their aircraft still 100% OK)? Yesterday the OO-SFR performed a morning flight for HL
154 Manni : ILS.25L, Sabena catering, or do I need to say LH Sky Chefs are doing the catering for the VG flights. Check in will be done by those who were once Sab
155 EBOS : Thanks Ivan. I'm using a Canon D30. Sven
156 Post contains images A330DAT : What about Thomas Cook then, we use FQ, also a 2 letter code, and we operate charter (holiday flights... ?? You're right A320-Addict. It is a bit stra
157 Sabena 690 : The same happens with JMC: You have flights of them with JMC as code, but I have already seen lot's of JMC flights with MT as code. City Bird used als
158 Pressclub : In Germany most of the charter airlines have a 2 letter code. I don't know why but maybe it is because they also sell tickets themselves for the fligh
159 Erasmus : Hurray, Pressclub must have had a good night's sleep! Welcome back, pressclub! Regards, Erasmus
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