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Hong Kong & Australia To Start Aviation Talks  
User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Posted (14 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

Hey all.

Just read an interesting article on the HK-iMail website regarding the new air services talks between Hong Kong & Australia, which is due to start on May 28. To summarize:

- The talks will be aimed at giving CX more access to Australia, including starting a new service to Canberra, and increasing the no. of flights on existing routes to SYD, MEL, PER, BNE, ADL & CNS.

- Allow Qantas to use HKG as a hub for flights to other Asian cities & Europe and obtain those coveted fifth freedom rights (similar to their hub in Singapore).

- Virgin Blue wants to start flights between Australia & HKG and link them with Virgin Atlantic's daily HKG-LHR service.

That's about it. The url link is below, and it's a good read. I hope a new deal is reached between the two sides. I agree that it would benefit the Australian carriers more than Cathay, but it would also further strengthen Hong Kong's status as a major Asian hub.



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User currently offlineKdonohue From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

Who would this benefit more Hong Kong or Australia? Should the Australian government play hardball with CX and tell them to re-hire the 49ers that they fired last year, some of who were Australian?


User currently offlineMEA From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3051 times:

I can't see how this will benefit the Australian carriers. CX has the right to fly pax beyond HKG to various points in Asia, Europe, the Middle East and Asia.

The Australian carriers do not have this right at the moment. Allowing them fifth freedom rights should put them on the same footing with CX.

Anyway, this is very interesting indeed as CX & QF aren't the best of friends. They don't even codeshare and seem to have no commercial agreements other then OneWorld. A very under-utilised relationship in my opinion.

OneWorld should realise that BA, QF & AA aren't the only airlines in that alliance.

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3051 times:

Great news.

Lets hope in the future we QF 1/2 going via Hong Kong !!

User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1767 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (14 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

The idea of CBR-HKG flights is a big surprise. I suppose CX could possibly operate 2 flights a week to MEL or ADL via CBR using A330s...

User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Canberra? geez. that came outta nowhere.

I sure would like to see the stunned faces of the passengers when they land in the middle of a paddock in rural ACT coming from HK.

User currently offlineMarara From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 680 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

QF and CX arent allowed to cooperate because they are the two dominant carriers flying HKG-AUST-HKG. Fels would have a heart attack

I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. Jerome K Jerome
User currently offlineCrosscheck From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

I can't see Cathay Pacific operating there own flights to Canberra. One would guess they would like to offer codeshare flights on Qantas services to this destination. I guess allowing the expansion of Oneworld between Qantas & Cathay Pacific would greatly benefit both airlines, as it has with British Airways and Cathay Pacific in UK/Europe.

Lets hope they can come to some agreement that sees Qantas being able to operate between Hong Kong & Europe, as this would be a fantastic advantage and alternative over the current operations via Singapore.

Good Luck Qantas & Cathay Pacific

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

Well CBR could be a chance, via another destination as previously mentioned. MEL, BNE, or ADL could work.

What other airports in Australia could offer chances or flights to International destinations? Newcastle , OOL Gold Coast, Broome , Townsville, Hobart, Avalon? Not many others I would say and CBR would have some business/Government travel, and it does have a catchment area of around 450,000 , including outer areas such as yass, Albury-Wadonga, Wagga, Queenbuyan, Golbourn. This area is very underserved, but it still wouldnt work IMO on its own.


User currently offlineAirbus A3XX From Australia, joined May 1999, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

I doubt there would be good loads for flights to cities like CBR, Townsville, and etc since most people in Hong Kong have never heard of these cities.
Gold Coast may be a good choice as there are many tourists from Hong Kong who would go to Gold Coast.

User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

OMG, land in CBR. Great first impression of Australia. The first thing they might see is a cow or sheep running around before they see the terminal

User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

The Airport Authority (AA) of Hong Kong is very strict when it comes to giving fifth freedom rights to foreign carriers operating at Chek Lap Kok. But since Cathay is getting increased access into Australia, that's a good enough reason for the AA to successfully negotiate those fifth freedom rights with Qantas. It would be great if Qantas were to use HKG as a second hub. That would also mean more Qantas flights for us Hong Kong spotters!!

Let's say Qantas does get those rights, which destinations do you see QF flying to from HKG? I would say LHR would be the first choice, what about MAN?


User currently offlineMarara From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 680 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Zurich maybe once LX joins OW.

I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. Jerome K Jerome
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